Survey: How do you treat those that refuse a draw?

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Ziryab

See annotations moves 51-52.

 

KyleMayhugh

Black has winning chances, white does not. It's a little bit of bad form for white to be the one to offer the draw in the first place.

As far as refusing it, I'd only get annoyed if the opponent were taking an irrationally long amount of time, but otherwise play it out. For example, in this position as white, I might not want an agreed draw if I wanted to work on my drawing technique in that endgame.

Tatiana92

If my opponent refuses a draw, i will just play on

People refuses a draw because probably they are playing for a win and still play on

Like the game above, a drawn pawn ending, probably he is hoping you to make a mistake

Ziryab
KyleMayhugh wrote:

Black has winning chances, white does not. It's a little bit of bad form for white to be the one to offer the draw in the first place.

As far as refusing it, I'd only get annoyed if the opponent were taking an irrationally long amount of time, but otherwise play it out. For example, in this position as white, I might not want an agreed draw if I wanted to work on my drawing technique in that endgame.


It is a dead draw that I routinely teach to third graders. I would offer Anand a draw in the same position, but he would accept.

Pepra

This game is a draw, I can't see black or white winning. If black is waiting for white to make a mistake, then they'll be playing till christmas.

I must admit that it is a little annoying but I will just play on and resign on christmas eve.

Ziryab
paulgottlieb wrote:

The question in inane! The decision to take a draw, like the decision to resign, is entirely up to the player. The idea that you should get your knickers in a twist because your opponent doesn't do what you want him to do is foolish. Just play the game!


Do they still wear knickers in New Jersey? We don't wear them out west.

mrguy888

I think you are childish for what you did on move 52. That is no way to deal with any situation, really.

Ziryab

Three minute games are fast. They are an exercise in quick reflexes and intuitive understanding. Most often draws are refused simply by moving and may have gone unnoticed. When I reached a clear draw that is easy to hold with a full minute left, I let my time run down to forty seconds before playing on. I should have let it run down to twenty: that way, Black still has winning chances as I might have run out of time.

KyleMayhugh
Ziryab wrote:
KyleMayhugh wrote:

Black has winning chances, white does not. It's a little bit of bad form for white to be the one to offer the draw in the first place.

As far as refusing it, I'd only get annoyed if the opponent were taking an irrationally long amount of time, but otherwise play it out. For example, in this position as white, I might not want an agreed draw if I wanted to work on my drawing technique in that endgame.


It is a dead draw that I routinely teach to third graders. I would offer Anand a draw in the same position, but he would accept.


That's funny because just yesterday the commentators were shocked that the two semifinalists in the U.S. women's championship would play on in a dead drawn position. Then the defender crumbled under the pressure.

http://www.chessvideos.tv/chess-game-replayer.php?id=43898

It's quite simply bad form to offer the draw when you are on the down end of a position, dead drawn or not. It's not a huge faux pas, but it is a little one.

Ziryab
KyleMayhugh wrote:

It's quite simply bad form to offer the draw when you are on the down end of a position, dead drawn or not. It's not a huge faux pas, but it is a little one.


I usually agree, but only when there is some complexity. There is no faux pas offering a draw in a position that I could play accurately againt the world champion under time pressure while intoxicated.

KyleMayhugh

I totally understand your side of it. I disagree, but it's one of those gray areas of chess. That's why I try to be pretty forgiving of my opponents no matter what they do, because we all have different takes on these gray areas.

Ziryab

Who is complaining?

Ziryab
Fezzik wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

Who is complaining?


Go look up "mauvais fois".


A wise and articulate response!

+1 for Jean-Paul

musicalhair
Ziryab wrote:
paulgottlieb wrote:

The question in inane! The decision to take a draw, like the decision to resign, is entirely up to the player. The idea that you should get your knickers in a twist because your opponent doesn't do what you want him to do is foolish. Just play the game!


Do they still wear knickers in New Jersey? We don't wear them out west.


I think you're making a faulty assumption here, the quote is clearly talking about YOUR knickers and no one else's.  If anything, the poster of the comment was assuming you still wear knickers.  Using the "royal We" seems like you're avoiding the question about your personal relationship with knickers.  Are boxer shorts a kind of knickers?  If so, then I had better pipe down.

 

I find it hard to believe that you teach third graders these king/pawn endings (good on you for doing it though!), and be surprised that anyone here (or nearly anyone below like a "class A" player OTB for that matter) would not know basic endings or not be willing to accept that you know them.  Many many players get by middle game complications and crowded board tactics-- call it luck of the aggressor, or a "puncher's chance", or whatever.  I'm sure you've won your share of games against people that completely blew won or drawn endings.  At least the guy didn't accuse you of using a computer (and I guess the line would be "Hey, nice chess computer you got stashed under your knickers") to achieve the draw.

Ziryab

knickers is a metaphor, as is this whole thread

musicalhair

wait, ... knickers is singular?

Ziryab
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Ziryab

The whole point of letting my clock run down is to salvage a challenge from a game that is otherwise over. I play blitz for the rush; a whole minute for each player in a dead drawn pawn endgame deprives me of this drug.

Loomis


My opponen

t made me play 50 moves in this position:

 

 

Not only that, he asked for a rematch afterwards!

Ziryab
I'd say no to the rematch.