Tactics Trainer rating

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PhDP

My "Tactics Trainer" rating is about 300 pts below my "Online" rating. Tactics is arguably not my forte, but I still wonder; what is the average difference between the two ? The rating distributions clearly show that TT ratings are much lower, but it doesn't mean much as a different pool of players use the TT.

By the way, the tactics trainer is a great tool, congrat to the chess.com staff.

ntucker1111

My TT is embarassingly low - a good 150 points lower than my online rating.

chirp55

mine is 200 points more

im around1600 and once it was actually above 2000

carey

My TT rating is usually slightly higher (around 100-150 points) higher than my online rating. 

My chess.com rating is much higher than my actual over-the-board rating (1560). 

Belisarius777

I have been trying the Tactics Trainer lately and it seems about 200 points lower than my correspondence rating. How do the other members here think about the Tactics Trainer? I have mixed feelings about it:

1) Pro: There is no "topic". My chess puzzle books often are of the ilk: White to Move, Look for the pin. You know what you are looking for. In the Trainer it is more real, you should look for anything rather than knowing there is some one specific thing.

2) Anti: There is no context. The clock is ticking and there is not enough time to take it all in. In a real game you would know how you got to the current position and what you were thinking and what might potentially open up.

So what is really a better tactics training method? Something more random like our Trainer, or more specific like a chess puzzle book arranged thematically?

orangehonda
Kotomitsuki wrote:

One thing i dont like at TT is: many Puzzles are from Studies or from Books.  Some of the Puzzles are so common that many tacticians know them already very well and can "solve" them in very short time. Then: these studies and puzzles from books are highly unpractical. In a game you almost never can sacrifice the queen. In TT you do a Queensac at almost every other puzzle in the 2200-2400 range. Then: You get points at TT even if you did not find the last moves in the line. In a real game you simply loose. Then: You may get no points if you only win the Queen in 2, but did not find the mate in 16. A Save and easy win is better than a complicated risky one.

But i do my 25 puzzles every day, my ratings gets lower and lower but its a nice tool


I can't remember the quote, maybe some Russian saying, something like it's better to win a knight in 2 than go for a mate in 8... something like that.

bobbyDK

my FIDE rating is only 1422 but my TT rating is around the range (1500-1835).

I started to use TT a month ago and has solved around 49,7% of the excersises. I try to see the whole variation before I move. I try never to look at the solution afterwards if I do not solve it. An international master told in a video (I cannot remember his name ) that you shouldn't use computers training. and I think he is right- I cannot use a text from Rybka with a twelve move deep analyze for anything even with a board in front of me.

I hope I will eventually find the solution myself later and know why it is the way to think. I hit next and try to solve the next excercise. 

I think I will improve using TT I have never used more than 1 hour and 10 minutes in a 2 hours game. but I noticed in TT for some excercises I need more 3 minutes to figure out the solution. I've never used that long on a move. and I would never have found smothered mate, philidorf mate or bodens mate. but with TT I think I will. 

It's like Josh Waitzkin said in chessmaster (I cannot remember 100%) " If you cannot find the solution to a problem ...it is fine....chess is hard...but the more you struggle to find the solution...the more you learn. if you simple listen to my words you will learn nearly as much."

and the most important thing is that rating is a sum of a lot of plusses and minusses in your chess strengh.

just because you are a 1500 player doesn't mean that you are

1500 opening 1500 middle game 1500 endgame. 1500 strategy 1500 tactics

more likely

1350 opening 1600 middle game 1800 endgame. 1400 strategy 1300 tactics

my point is that rating is a number that doesn't say much of course a 1500 should beat a 1400 ratet player in 7 out 10 games. but a player can be on his way up. 

pawnpusher12345

My TT rating is nearly 500 points above my online rating(1320-1800)

Shakaali

My TT rating is several hundred points higher than my Fide rating. Now, I don't think that tactics are my weak spot but still I'm not especially strong either compared to other players of similar ELO strength.

carlostr7

Does tactics training affect the online live chess rating? I only ask, cos i downloaded the android app logged in and looked over the interface, tried 2 tactics questions and could not work out the interface in time, then when back to my PC to realise I had lost 50 ratings points.Cry  I will survive though

 I'm lowly rated so no big deal, but I had just clawed my way above 1000 after being on the site for a couple of weeks

vowles_23
Belisarius777 wrote:

I have been trying the Tactics Trainer lately and it seems about 200 points lower than my correspondence rating. How do the other members here think about the Tactics Trainer? I have mixed feelings about it:

1) Pro: There is no "topic". My chess puzzle books often are of the ilk: White to Move, Look for the pin. You know what you are looking for. In the Trainer it is more real, you should look for anything rather than knowing there is some one specific thing.

2) Anti: There is no context. The clock is ticking and there is not enough time to take it all in. In a real game you would know how you got to the current position and what you were thinking and what might potentially open up.

So what is really a better tactics training method? Something more random like our Trainer, or more specific like a chess puzzle book arranged thematically?


 Yeah I agree, especially with number 2. The clock is ticking so you don't have time to take it all into account. Also, you didn't play into that position so you don't know what you were aiming for.

My tactics trainer is about 300+ below my correspondance..

And no carlostr7, tactics trainer doesn't affect online rating. Usually 0% on a tactic will result in -15 or so, so by that you should have been -30. Don't know about the other 20 though.

Jaguarphd
Kotomitsuki wrote:

One thing i dont like at TT is: many Puzzles are from Studies or from Books.  Some of the Puzzles are so common that many tacticians know them already very well and can "solve" them in very short time. Then: these studies and puzzles from books are highly unpractical. In a game you almost never can sacrifice the queen. In TT you do a Queensac at almost every other puzzle in the 2200-2400 range. Then: You get points at TT even if you did not find the last moves in the line. In a real game you simply loose. Then: You may get no points if you only win the Queen in 2, but did not find the mate in 16. A Save and easy win is better than a complicated risky one.

But i do my 25 puzzles every day, my ratings gets lower and lower but its a nice tool


I think Capablanka said "If you had a choice between winning the queen in 2 moves and mating in 10 moves, take the queen"

 

As for your question. I am 1550 USCF. 2000 on chess.com and my highest tactics trainer rating is 2439. I see no correlation with me. I have always been a tactics fan.