When you play fast games, you should be able to take all of the little and precious time that you do have thinking about the position, rather than making sure you don't make a mouse slip.
Takeback denials after mouse slips (not just here)
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Sep 3, 2011
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#83
checkmateibeatu wrote:
When you play fast games, you should be able to take all of the little and precious time that you do have thinking about the position, rather than making sure you don't make a mouse slip.
I disagree. Thinking and action (in this case, using the tools required to make the move) go together. Both are required for quality chess: preparation and execution.
If you people like comparing bullet to otb so much, think about this- in otb, to people take time to think about how they are not gonna drop their piece on the wrong square?
sarsaila wrote:
Reb wrote:
1 0 chess is just stupid anyway and a complete waste as far as improving one's game goes.....
Sure, but it's fun :) Have you never done stupid things in your life which were fun? :)
By the way, nice to see you again!
Hi , and thanks. Do I know you ? Maybe a new handle/screen name ?
Ofcourse I have done stupid things in life ... like trying to play 1 0 for example. 
Sep 3, 2011
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#86
checkmateibeatu wrote:
When he intends to make another move, is what I'm saying.
Nobody can know his opponent's intentions. They can only be inferred. And if your opponent tells you his intent? People can (and do) lie.
whirlwind2011 wrote:
checkmateibeatu wrote:
When he intends to make another move, is what I'm saying.
Nobody can know his opponent's intentions. They can only be inferred. And if your opponent tells you his intent? People can (and do) lie.
Yeah, that would probably be the biggest flaw in something like this.
If it's a student playing an unrated training game against his or her IM teacher then it should be at the teachers discretion to grant a takeback or not but in serious games with points on the line? touch move rules should apply to everyone no exceptions.
checkmateibeatu wrote:
-waller- wrote:
Just accept that you slipped up and move on. It won't make a difference to your rating in the long term.
I've trapped a guy's queen before, only for him to say his last move was a slip. I replied "bad luck" at which point he started swearing at me. And it obviously wasn't a slip like he said.
You can't assess every situation individually in this case - you either make all moves take-backable or none. Its obvious what the best option is.
Take-backs aren't a part of chess.
Just because they aren't a part of chess doesn't mean they can't become one!
But no-one wants it to apart from you. Chess has done fine in the hundreds of years since it was invented without takebacks.
It couldn't be a mouse slip if they move another piece when you are threatening your queen. However, in the OP example, it is an obvious mouse slip.
If a mouseslip happens, you have the right to takeback. Like I have said before, I think a lot of this has come from otb bias.
checkmateibeatu wrote:
It couldn't be a mouse slip if they move another piece when you are threatening your queen. However, in the OP example, it is an obvious mouse slip.
It is, and it is still tough s**t I'm afraid. Just resign and start another game.
checkmateibeatu wrote:
If a mouseslip happens, you have the right to takeback. Like I have said before, I think a lot of this has come from otb bias.
Mine has not since I don't get much opportunity to play good players OTB.
I have never had a titled player request a takeback , and they make mouseslips too. When I make a slip, if its bad enough, I simply resign. One site I play on has a "no takeback " setting and if you toggle it on then opponents cant even offer one and I like that and think all sites should do that.
Hundreds of years ago, there were not devices such as iPods and cellphones as chess playing platforms where a slip is almost inevitable. if you play on an iPod, I guarantee you will be experiencing ridiculous slips. I will grant take backs when I see something that is obvious . And I will mostly ask for a takeback when I slip. If it's not granted, I will resign. Also, I play only unrated games on iPods. Slipping is just too easy to do.
If there is a takeback option on FICS and ICC, then why not here? It only makes sense that both players should be able to make the moves they intended to make, rather than the move they did not intened to make.
And there is someone that agrees with me on Post 110.
checkmateibeatu:
Just give it up! Practically NO-ONE agrees with you! By continuing to answer all our points with the same statement "Yeah but it only makes sense that both players should be able to make the move they intended to make" you just give the impression that you are IGNORING what everyone is saying to you!
You need to learn about discussion. It doesn't consist of you just blindly sticking to your 'revolutionary' idea. It involves you considering other peoples' points of view and replying to that.
I do consider other points of view, which, as far as I know, are, "otb doesn't have takebacks, so online shouldn't" and "I don't offer and accept takebacks".
Sep 3, 2011
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#100
I find this topic greatly unsettling, mainly because of its premise: the shirking of accountability. If I make a mouse-slip, I and only I am accountable for that. If I swallow it, however bad it tastes, I accept responsibility--the courageous thing to do. If I clamor for a take-back, I deny responsibility--the cowardly thing to do.
I love Reb's suggestion that all chess sites should have a toggle option for take-backs/no take-backs!
Just accept that you slipped up and move on. It won't make a difference to your rating in the long term.
I've trapped a guy's queen before, only for him to say his last move was a slip. I replied "bad luck" at which point he started swearing at me. And it obviously wasn't a slip like he said.
You can't assess every situation individually in this case - you either make all moves take-backable or none. Its obvious what the best option is.
Take-backs aren't a part of chess.
Just because they aren't a part of chess doesn't mean they can't become one!