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royalbishop

Well what happened to the farmer and the bear?

VULPES_VULPES

The bear was shot with the farmer.

Ziryab

The bear should have attacked the farmer with the gun.

VULPES_VULPES

Why? There's only one farmer.

Ziryab

Then, there is no reason to specify that he had an axe.

VULPES_VULPES

Exactly why "who had an axe" is better than the original.

goldendog

The bear dropped the gun in horror as he realized what he had done: The innocent farmer he'd shot was also his son.

goldendog

Mrs. Bear, as hard as she tried, could not console him. He wept and raged, raged and wept, for hours on end. Little did she know that her world was about to be turned upside down with the revelation of another wife, another family, and all of them humans that he supposedly hated so much.

TheGrobe
Ziryab wrote:

The bear should have attacked the farmer with the gun.

Definitely.  Who brings an axe to a gunfight.

No, really, I'm actually not clear on this.

netzach

You have an axe to grind?

TheGrobe

That's what they say.

Ziryab

The axe leaps!
The solid forest gives fluid utterances;
They tumble forth, they rise and form,
Hut, tent, landing, survey,
Flail, plough, pick, crowbar, spade,
Shingle, rail, prop, wainscot, jamb, lath, panel, gable,
Citadel, ceiling, saloon, academy, organ, exhibition-house, library,
Cornice, trellis, pilaster, balcony, window, shutter, turret, porch,
Hoe, rake, pitch-fork, pencil, wagon, staff, saw, jack-plane, mallet, wedge, rounce,
Chair, tub, hoop, table, wicket, vane, sash, floor,
Work-box, chest, string’d instrument, boat, frame, and what not,
Capitols of States, and capitol of the nation of States,
Long stately rows in avenues, hospitals for orphans, or for the poor or sick,
Manhattan steamboats and clippers, taking the measure of all seas. 

The shapes arise!
Shapes of the using of axes anyhow, and the users, and all that neighbors them,
Cutters down of wood, and haulers of it to the Penobscot or Kennebec,
Dwellers in cabins among the California mountains, or by the little lakes, or on the Columbia,
Dwellers south on the banks of the Gila or Rio Grande—friendly gatherings, the characters and fun,
Dwellers up north in Minnesota and by the Yellowstone river—dwellers on coasts and off coasts,
Seal-fishers, whalers, arctic seamen breaking passages through the ice.

kayak21

Cork man drowns. That was a real news headline. The man came from County Cork in Ireland.

Ziryab
QuantummKnight wrote:
goldendog wrote:

Little did she know

Ah, the infamous "Little did they know". Few formulations conjure up so rich a blend of associations. I detect jasmine and an ornate hint of loftiness.

I imagine that he or she was an associate of Malcolm Little.

bean_Fischer

I think in every language there is a contradiction or anomaly between "everyday usage" and "grammar".

It can sound weird to follow "grammar" in a language for "everyday usage".

That's why it sounds weird for foreigners to speak foreign languages.

Ziryab

Don't foreigners do fine with foreign languages? It's when foreigners speak local languages that they sound funny to the natives.

LoekBergman

Ziryab, nice argumentation, but you are for the majority of the world population a foreigner! Tell me, how is your pronunciation of French, which is for both of us a foreign language? :-)

Ziryab
LoekBergman wrote:

Ziryab, nice argumentation, but you are for the majority of the world population a foreigner! Tell me, how is your pronunciation of French, which is for both of us a foreign language? :-)

I speak French as a foreigner who has rarely heard the language spoken, and I read it via Google Translate, which may be worse than not at all.

RomyGer

This forum is a great lesson in languages !   I now came across the next word to be discussed :  " them "  instead of those, see post number 171, " like all of them humans ... "  Compare : did you see them shoes she was wearing ?

For Dutch readers : compare Dutch hullie and zullie (for zij) ; zullie=they !

@ post 180 : I know I sound funny to them natives, when speaking and writing European English,  (btw I like the word natives here) , but I am happy when I am for 100 % sure that the other party ( in technical and commercial discussions ) understands what I ment to say !

And post 181 : I cannot help saying that for me hearing an Englishman/American speak French is nice...; Jeremy Paxman has a fine pronunciation of French, and the other extreme is a TV soap series with Englishmen in hiding in France in the second world war...

Ziryab

Keep her alive.