The Match of the Century: Computer1-EASY vs Computer1-EASY

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Introduction and purpose of the match

There is some sort of consensus in the chess world about the importance of the first-move advantage: white has an advantage, which is not enough to force a win with perfect play (and yes, nobody cares about Weaver Adams).  Of course, nowadays there is no way to prove whether this assessment of the initial position is right or wrong, but we can infer from the games of the best players in the world (not only GMs but also Stockfish & Co.) that the draw is the most likely outcome of a game.

However, there is actually no reason to care about whether chess is a forced draw or not. After all, what are the odds of two humans playing a perfect game? We (read "we" as sub-GM players) should not be concerned by the first move advantage at the highest level.

Nevertheless, it could be benefitial to explore the importance of the first-move advantage at other levels. Which level? In this case, to enlight the biggest number of players, the most crowded one. Percentil 50. In chess.com, at a standard time control, that means a rating around 1200. A match between two players with the same rating, in order to discover if white has an advantage at all. There are some problems, however. Pathetic humans are influenced too much by how they slept the night before and other ridiculous things, and sometimes  they play much better or much worse than what they should. This is where computers come to the rescue. Comp1-EASY will fearlessly fight in a violent match against its antagonist, Comp1-EASY. To save white's reputation or to destroy it.

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Score

Game 1

0-1

Game 2

0.5-0.5

Overall (so far)

0.5-1.5

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Make sure the match games are unrated wink.png

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I suspect Computer-1-EASY will win, if it's not a draw.

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Organization of the match

Making Comp1-EASY face itself is no easy task. Volunteers are needed to help with the match, as the method that will be used requires either a premium member or two basic users to work.

For each game of the match, two games shall be played at the same time on live chess. In Game 1, volunteer A plays white against Comp1-EASY and in game 2, volunteer B plays black against the same opponent. In game 2, Comp1-EASY makes the first move against B; and in game 1 volunteer A copies the move in his game. When Comp1-EASY makes his move in game 1, volunteer B copies it in game 2, and so on until the game ends. Of course both games must be UNRATED, in order to comply with chess.com rules. The exact time control will be agreed by the volunteers, but it must be standard with an increment, to avoid flagging in case the game gets very long.

Alternatively, it could be done by a premium member alone playing 2 games at the same time.

Initially, the match will consist of 6 games, although I reserve the right to change that depending on how many volunteers appear.

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I'm still accepting volunteers. If two people read this thread and decide to collaborate, they can organize a game without me taking part . If anyone wants to do that, I just ask for links to both games so that I can post them here.

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No volunteers are needed, you simply play 2 games at a time.

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Law 74.3 (b) -  The Computer who makes the 94th and final blunder loses.

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Set up a gofundme, seems like this could get costly...

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Joseph_Truelson wrote:

No volunteers are needed, you simply play 2 games at a time.

If I'm not mistaken, free members can't do that.

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Several comments so far. Does that mean any of you is interested? We're doing it for the progress of the science of chess!

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This is interesting.

Slightly off topic but, does anybody know if the first move advantage is more or less pronounced when 2 high level engines play each other. Like Stockfish vs Kamodo or something? 

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VladimirHerceg91 wrote:

This is interesting.

Slightly off topic but, does anybody know if the first move advantage is more or less pronounced when 2 high level engines play each other. Like Stockfish vs Kamodo or something? 

The results of TCEC (Top Chess Engine Championship) season 9's final can be found here:

Stockfish vs Houdini

http://tcec.chessdom.com/archive.php?se=9&sf&ga=9

However, somewhere I read that those games didn't start from the initial position, instead they chose a set of openings and make every engine play each one with white and black.

Out of 100 games, there was not a single win with black. Stockfish won 54.5-45.5, with 17 wins, 75 draws and 8 losses.

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So I guess we can say that the first move advantage increases as the ratings of the 2 players increase? 

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But at the same time draws are more likely the higher the ratings go? 

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It's certainly more difficult to win as black at the highest levels.

The way I see the first move advantage is like a safety net: white can afford to make one little mistake whereas black may not. If both players find the perfect moves, then in theory it should be a draw.

At lower levels the mistakes are usually more serious so one mistake by white might lead to defeat.

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It's too bad that this discussion will be buried by the plethora of spam that lurks the chess discussion forum in recent days. 

I started a very serious, and intellectual chess discussion recently about Tal. Was buried in seconds. 

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kingofshedinjas wrote:

It's certainly more difficult to win as black at the highest levels.

The way I see the first move advantage is that white can afford one little mistake whereas black may not.

That's a fair assessment. 

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Not sure how relevant this is, but here's my blitz record, which comprises mostly games against Comp1-EASY:

It seems that at least for me there is a noticeable advantage to playing white.

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Comp1-EASY will win easily

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Make sure you get Computer1-EASY to agree to an engine-assisted match, as, even unrated, using an engine is still cheating unless both players agree.

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Wow... I just checked your standard record kosd. It's pretty impressive!