The Myth of Autism and Chess

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Syd_Arthur

Yawn....

Another "autodidact", engaging in semantic dissociative sub-brow interlocution on a Chess.com thread.

Please take your Ativan, oxymoron, and go sit in the corner until you learn how to interact with your peers in a more civilized fashion.

Conflagration_Planet
kleelof wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

Freud has been disproven in just about everything he ever said.

That is absolutely 100% untrue. Yes, some things have been disproven, but his work is still a mainstay in university psychology education today.

It's amazing how many people insist on talking out of their asses when it comes to psychology.

You're the one gifted at ass talking.

 
 
 
Syd_Arthur
oxoxxvc wrote:
Syd_Arthur wrote:

Yawn....

Another "autodidact", engaging in semantic dissociative sub-brow interlocution on a Chess.com thread.

Please take your Ativan, oxymoron, and go sit in the corner until you learn how to interact with your peers in a more civilized fashion.

*facepalm*

At this point, you're like the ad- hominem strawman of a deragotory sockpuppet of an abusive sockpuppet.

Facepalm is an appropriate response.  Congrats, you're learning.

Syd_Arthur

You have just won the Cream-Puff Warrior tm  Award.

Syd_Arthur
oxoxxvc wrote:
owltuna wrote:
Mersaphe wrote:

I think Fischer was autistic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCwLirQS2-o

HAHAHAHAHAHA That was good... I must say

If you were trying to form a basic English sentence, it is customary to end it with a period.

Syd_Arthur
oxoxxvc wrote:
Syd_Arthur wrote:
oxoxxvc wrote:
owltuna wrote:

Mersaphe wrote:

I think Fischer was autistic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCwLirQS2-o

HAHAHAHAHAHA That was good... I must say

If you were trying to form a basic English sentence, it is customary to end it with a period.

Learn the basis of syntax

Every definition of "syntax" I can find has punctuation included at the end of it.

Go figure.

Syd_Arthur

I have learned that not one of your posts would  be approved by a single proof or copy reader on the planet.

Syd_Arthur
oxoxxvc wrote:
Syd_Arthur wrote:

I have learned that not one of your posts would  be approved by a single proof or copy reader on the planet.

Yet can't seem to grasp why... thats interesting

 

Your Live Standard Rating is woefully lower than mine....therefore your ad- homiminem attacks and errant extrapolationary effluvium re Jungian?Freudo- archetypes are fallacious. 

Syd_Arthur

That's a great argument for your ability to reason.

Syd_Arthur
Optimissed wrote:

Incidentally, I have no comment regarding what I may have said or may have meant and how it might be taken to relate to something another person says or said. I think his explanation of who said what and what it may have meant is ambiguous and also, it seems a very strange thing to be obsessed with

Germane point, succinctly stated.

Moderately decent sentence fluffing, btw.

awesomechess1729

It looks like oxoxxvc got banned. Again.

Syd_Arthur

Same old, same old.

Squarely

Well...I really seemed to sture up a horrents nest with this topic...which, of course, was my intention.

Freud was right when he stated, "Psychological illness has a constitutional cause."

As an anology, people love the excuse, "I am fat because I have a thyroid problem.'  No, you are fat because you have damaged your motablism.  Likewise with autism/schizophrenia...You are nuts because you took a wrong turn somewhere in development.  Yes, the brains of crazy people are different than normal. DUH!  That's what makes them crazy.  But how crazy are brilliant people different from your average religious fanitic?

u0110001101101000
Squarely wrote:

Well...I really seemed to sture up a horrents nest with this topic...which, of course, was my intention.

Freud was right when he stated, "Psychological illness has a constitutional cause."

As an anology, people love the excuse, "I am fat because I have a thyroid problem.'  No, you are fat because you have damaged your motablism.  Likewise with autism/schizophrenia...You are nuts because you took a wrong turn somewhere in development.  Yes, the brains of crazy people are different than normal. DUH!  That's what makes them crazy.  But how crazy are brilliant people different from your average religious fanitic?

You're a little late to the party with this 14 months delayed comment lol

"But how crazy are brilliant people different from ____"
Isn't a clear sentence.

How are brilliant or crazy people different from religious fanatics? You'll have to give a little more context. A person could be brilliant, crazy, and a religious fanatic all at the same time!

kellypk417

Squarely wrote:

If you would grant that psychology is a science, then you may agree that Bobby exhibited two main symptoms of schizopherina (adult onset).  Those two would be delusions of persecution and delusions of grandure.  What makes this tricky is, he was the greatest and he was under attack.  This does not necessarily justify wearing aluminum foil in your hat and having all of the fillings removed in your teeth to prevent the government from controlling your brain with radio waves as he did.  Furthermore, Bobby's arrogance and obsessional behavior in many situations was inappropriate and indicated his over-inflated opinion of his intelligence.  Like many austic people, Bobby had trouble with relationships and lacked empathy.  He never managed a successful marriage or became a parent and lacked most of the qualities normal people value.  Generally, he was out of touch with people and appears to lack the ability for pleasure (except chess).  And even in chess, was that a normal pleasure for Mr. Fischer?  Or was it like neurotic and compulsive sex to the mentally ill...the behavior is there but the intimacy and emotion is missing.  In many ways, he was a idiot-savant and upon reflection, due to his childhood and his single parent mother situation, he can be examined clinically instead of dismissed as a mere eccentric.  In today's world, he could have easily been diagnosed as an austic child.  Perhaps a more accurate term for autism is "pre-schizophrenia," but no mother wants to admit that her child has this dreaded condition.  So a more palative term has been resurected.  Freud, in spite of his politically incorrect fall from fame, is still one of the greatest minds in psychology.  Remember, he was first a medical doctor.  Freud said, "There is an organic (physical) cause for mental illness."  And many young professionals have been quick to instruct me to the differences in brain structures in austic children verses normal brains.  Well, there are differences in the brains of schizophrenics verses normal brains too.  Whether these differences are the same is for future research by neurologists.  That was never my job and I have retired from the game.  I really just wanted to opine about Autism and my reference to "science advancing" was intended to be biting scarcasm.  Putting a new name on an old problem is just putting old wine into a new bottle.  What irritates me most is the disintigration of the line between right and wrong, good and bad, and healthy and sick.  For example, we can all look forward to the day when the term "criminal" is obsolete.  I predict in the future, people will not be labeled with such a prejudicial term but instead be accepted in society as "judgement impaired," or a victim of situational ethics.

I happen to know a little about psychology, no degree but a lot of study and my parents have their Masters in it. I think you are correct. After reading your post and knowing what I know, and having family members with autism and schizophrenia, I have to agree with your statement.

kellypk417

kellypk417 wrote:

Squarely wrote:

If you would grant that psychology is a science, then you may agree that Bobby exhibited two main symptoms of schizopherina (adult onset).  Those two would be delusions of persecution and delusions of grandure.  What makes this tricky is, he was the greatest and he was under attack.  This does not necessarily justify wearing aluminum foil in your hat and having all of the fillings removed in your teeth to prevent the government from controlling your brain with radio waves as he did.  Furthermore, Bobby's arrogance and obsessional behavior in many situations was inappropriate and indicated his over-inflated opinion of his intelligence.  Like many austic people, Bobby had trouble with relationships and lacked empathy.  He never managed a successful marriage or became a parent and lacked most of the qualities normal people value.  Generally, he was out of touch with people and appears to lack the ability for pleasure (except chess).  And even in chess, was that a normal pleasure for Mr. Fischer?  Or was it like neurotic and compulsive sex to the mentally ill...the behavior is there but the intimacy and emotion is missing.  In many ways, he was a idiot-savant and upon reflection, due to his childhood and his single parent mother situation, he can be examined clinically instead of dismissed as a mere eccentric.  In today's world, he could have easily been diagnosed as an austic child.  Perhaps a more accurate term for autism is "pre-schizophrenia," but no mother wants to admit that her child has this dreaded condition.  So a more palative term has been resurected.  Freud, in spite of his politically incorrect fall from fame, is still one of the greatest minds in psychology.  Remember, he was first a medical doctor.  Freud said, "There is an organic (physical) cause for mental illness."  And many young professionals have been quick to instruct me to the differences in brain structures in austic children verses normal brains.  Well, there are differences in the brains of schizophrenics verses normal brains too.  Whether these differences are the same is for future research by neurologists.  That was never my job and I have retired from the game.  I really just wanted to opine about Autism and my reference to "science advancing" was intended to be biting scarcasm.  Putting a new name on an old problem is just putting old wine into a new bottle.  What irritates me most is the disintigration of the line between right and wrong, good and bad, and healthy and sick.  For example, we can all look forward to the day when the term "criminal" is obsolete.  I predict in the future, people will not be labeled with such a prejudicial term but instead be accepted in society as "judgement impaired," or a victim of situational ethics.

I happen to know a little about psychology, no degree but a lot of study and my parents have their Masters in it. I think you are correct. After reading your post and knowing what I know, and having family members with autism and schizophrenia, I have to agree with your statement.

I am referring to your first post I haven't read the others yet.

Grillmeister

Sigmund Fraud was too much locked to childhood experiences for my taste. I think that any talented person displays some sort of excentric behaviour.

Nekhemevich

Because people are more accepting of autism...

Squarely
"How are brilliant or crazy people different from religious fanatics? You'll have to give a little more context. A person could be brilliant, crazy, and a religious fanatic all at the same time!"--recent comment from a player.
Well, I guess I am getting mellow (finally) in my old age....
I was really jousting against windmills and now I don't really care.  As some of the comments observe, people like a comfortable word to describe an ugly situation...a person isn't FAT, the person is addicted and motivationally challenged (as Orson Wells, obesity is not a private vice).  Or, my kid isn't f''ed-up, he is develomentally challenged and only behaves like a reptile because of social pressure.  Right. 
So my new plan is to find peace in more reading in Buddhism and trying to accept and forgive all of the stupid MFers I encounter every day on the streets and freeways and stores and religious institutions.  I do agree a person can be brilliant AND spiritual, but never brilliant and religious....all religions are cults practicing mind control over the sheep.  Imagine a world without Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, or Karl Marx.  IMAGINE.
Nekhemevich
Squarely wrote:
"How are brilliant or crazy people different from religious fanatics? You'll have to give a little more context. A person could be brilliant, crazy, and a religious fanatic all at the same time!"--recent comment from a player.
Well, I guess I am getting mellow (finally) in my old age....
I was really jousting against windmills and now I don't really care.  As some of the comments observe, people like a comfortable word to describe an ugly situation...a person isn't FAT, the person is addicted and motivationally challenged (as Orson Wells, obesity is not a private vice).  Or, my kid isn't f''ed-up, he is develomentally challenged and only behaves like a reptile because of social pressure.  Right. 
So my new plan is to find peace in more reading in Buddhism and trying to accept and forgive all of the stupid MFers I encounter every day on the streets and freeways and stores and religious institutions.  I do agree a person can be brilliant AND spiritual, but never brilliant and religious....all religions are cults practicing mind control over the sheep.  Imagine a world without Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, or Karl Marx.  IMAGINE.

stupid Mfers! Squarely, will you run for president? Smile