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torrubirubi
The lack of respect began not with LT but with the guys who argued LT is not a GM so he should not publish a chess book (Karpov and Kasparov are in their eyes credible authors).

Probably the most influential chess coach and author, Mark Dvoretski, was not a GM, and several good authors were not titled players, but had a reputation as strong analysts (often players without time or money or the health to play tournaments and often using their skills to help IMs and GMs in their preparation, or strong correspondence players).

The idea that only a super GM is able to write an useful chess book is similar to the idea that only former tennis pros will be good tennis coaches - but some famous tennis coaches never played a single pro match.
Christopher_Parsons
torrubirubi wrote:
The lack of respect began not with LT but with the guys who argued LT is not a GM so he should not publish a chess book (Karpov and Kasparov are in their eyes credible authors).

Probably the most influential chess coach and author, Mark Dvoretski, was not a GM, and several good authors were not titled players, but had a reputation as strong analysts (often players without time or money or the health to play tournaments and often using their skills to help IMs and GMs in their preparation, or strong correspondence players).

The idea that only a super GM is able to write an useful chess book is similar to the idea that only former tennis pros will be good tennis coaches - but some famous tennis coaches never played a single pro match.

It could be argued that great chess players don't necessarily make the best teachers or authors. There are a list of reasons for that. Great learning ability and understanding, doesn't necessarily translate into great teaching ability. There are as many bad teachers as their students by percentage. They may be a bit stuck on themselves and put their own ideas ahead of a more sound approach. That could be debated and I am sure it has regarding other chess books. Also, a top GM would perhaps feel a bit in need to be secretive. They wouldn't want to publish their MO. Also there are linguistic considerations. A great chess author might only be only be a CM or FM, but can speak French, English and Russian, so they have a way of articulating things in a more concise manner. Even Lyudmil himself struggles a bit in this area.  Perhaps some of these reason working together is why Magnus Carlsen seemed so elusive or poorly spoken in post game interviews about his games of positions from those games. A great talent like Carlsen might even play on instinct sometimes and not even know best how to explain his rationale for his choices. Many humans don't understand the best engine moves. If that is what it takes to be really good at teaching, perhaps this is an advantage Lyudmil has ?

lfPatriotGames
torrubirubi wrote:
The lack of respect began not with LT but with the guys who argued LT is not a GM so he should not publish a chess book (Karpov and Kasparov are in their eyes credible authors).

Probably the most influential chess coach and author, Mark Dvoretski, was not a GM, and several good authors were not titled players, but had a reputation as strong analysts (often players without time or money or the health to play tournaments and often using their skills to help IMs and GMs in their preparation, or strong correspondence players).

The idea that only a super GM is able to write an useful chess book is similar to the idea that only former tennis pros will be good tennis coaches - but some famous tennis coaches never played a single pro match.

Just out of curiosity I went back and read the entire first page of this topic. I think part of the problem is you might be starting from a position where you believe Lydumil somehow earned respect before it was deserved. Nobody attacked him, but a few did question his credentials. Which a customer or potential customer has every right to do and should be expected. A buyer has an obligation to find out details before spending his or her money.

The problem is Lyudmil quickly showed he did not deserve or earn respect because starting on the very first page he questioned his customers motives. Very bad idea. And then he went on to make one of those claims people keep talking about, saying that he is 3 times stronger now than he was 12 years ago when he was about 2200. This all on the first page. Like many have suggested (it might pay to listen to the customer) if he had just simply said he isn't a GM, isn't GM strength, but instead has displayed some very unique ideas. If he kept the conversation about how his ideas can help the average player and NOT about him he probably would have done much better. Instead, even starting on the first page he said grandmasters would not understand his book. It's reasonable for people to immediately think he has an attitude problem.

torrubirubi
It reacted to the provocation. If you follow the thread you will how often he was offended in every possible way, as for example of being a cheater.

Really sad are those people giving him one star in Amazon to be sure LT would not sell any books anymore, reviews written by people who didn't read his books.

I can hear Lara the arguments "It is his fault, how could he dare to write a book not being a super GM".

And I am surprised by the perseverance of some of those people, popping up regularly in this thread to continue the attacks.

My own motivation is that I appreciate his books, I am learning with them more than with any other book I read before. I feel he deserves more respect for his work.

I am sure if a guy like Dvoretsky would in the past had tried to make advertisement for one of his books, people would show the same kind of disrespect as towards LT. "Why do you think somebody would buy your crap book if you even are not a GM?" Or "Why do you think a strong GM would have something to learn from a GM?" and similar "arguments".

Most players here would probably fail,to beat Stockfish even with a rook up, me too, so they simply can't believe that LT is able to defeat SF regularly.

Following this line of thinking he has to be a cheater and his book has to be useless.





Iam2busy

Stop this nonsense, everyone!

Listen up. I don't think he has to be a GM to write a good book.

It would help his sales if he did, because that is how some people think, like it or not.

But it's okay if he doesn't.

Now why do I "attack" LT then?

Firstly, I'm not attacking LT. I'm questioning his claims. And LT ends up taking things too personally. And claims that we are attacking him, which leads to his supports saying that we attacked him. That's not true now, is it?

Now, which claims am I questioning? Well, the claim that he can beat Stockfish, mainly.

I have yet to hear of a player who has beaten Stockfish, and out of the blue, a man (who hasn't played chess in a while, and isn't even close to the rating of GMs who can't beat stockfish) claims that he has done it multiple times! Am I not allowed to at least question this?

Of course there are other claims, but his supporters say that he was being sarcastic. Which leads me to another point.

How do you know what LT is being sarcastic about? Are you sure he was being sarcastic? LT himself has yet to verify that he was being sarcastic.

E_Luckov
torrubirubi escreveu:

I am sure if a guy like Dvoretsky would in the past had tried to make advertisement for one of his books, people would show the same kind of disrespect as towards LT. "Why do you think somebody would buy your crap book if you even are not a GM?" Or "Why do you think a strong GM would have something to learn from a GM?" and similar "arguments".

Most players here would probably fail,to beat Stockfish even with a rook up, me too, so they simply can't believe that LT is able to defeat SF regularly.

Following this line of thinking he has to be a cheater and his book has to be useless.





 

I assume you know nothing about Dvoretsky's life/career...

Anyway, if you are a blind believer, well, good look with that.

 

Thanks to this approach, people believe that the Earth is flat or that man never landed on the moon. There are some "forgotten geniuses" that even "can prove that"... there are plenty of pages, groups, even some books.... You can't just dismiss all that "evidence", right?

 

 

Yenny-Leon
E_Luckov wrote:

... Anyway, if you are a blind believer, well, good look with that.

 

Thanks to this approach, people believe that the Earth is flat or that man never landed on the moon. ...

 

Being curious enough about a book to actually read it is "blind belief"?  Or makes me a "follower" (and Mr. Tsvetkov a "prophet"?), as others have implied?  That's so melodramatic.   I'm reading many books, but don't consider a follower of those authors.  If you really want to know what's in a book, read it, instead of relying on biased uninformed hearsay.  Or at least read a review by someone who has actually read it, such GM Smerdon and others in the case of TSOC, the subject of this thread.

 

And what do "flat earth" and moon landing conspiracies have to do with a book about chess advice?  Nothing, it's a chess book!

 

edilio134

 Hi luckov,

you too 0 games and 0 at all but only here for Mr. LT. 

Crusade for the chess truth is growing and there's no reason to give up a good ( more or less...) reason for a healthy lynching.

And mostly important --->it is so rare to be right that when it's seems to be possible why not throw ourself over like so many hungry dogs.

Jancotianno
Yenny-Leon wrote:
E_Luckov wrote:

... Anyway, if you are a blind believer, well, good look with that.

 

Thanks to this approach, people believe that the Earth is flat or that man never landed on the moon. ...

 

Being curious enough about a book to actually read it is "blind belief"?  Or makes me a "follower" (and Mr. Tsvetkov a "prophet"?), as others have implied?  That's so melodramatic.   I'm reading many books, but don't consider a follower of those authors.  If you really want to know what's in a book, read it, instead of relying on biased uninformed hearsay.  Or at least read a review by someone who has actually read it, such GM Smerdon and others in the case of TSOC, the subject of this thread.

 

And what do "flat earth" and moon landing conspiracies have to do with a book about chess advice?  Nothing, it's a chess book!

 

Now that these reviews are a few months old it would be interesting to see if any of them are still reading the book and are applying it in their games, or if they've moved on and forgotten about it.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:
Christopher_Parsons wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

Where has everyone gone?

Where is Chris, where is GWTR and where is FBloggs?

Is it true that Chess.com is a desert place in May?

I have noticed a decline in the level of activity, as the weather is much better here and probably across much of Europe also. 

So that is the reason no one buys on Amazon?

I have always thought the US has at least 10 time zones and couple of weather zones.

Do Alaskans and Floridians experience the same weather?

People do buy on Amazon, it's quite popular.  From your book sales you may not notice though. If you are wondering why people still dont buy your book, carefully read what was said in post number 6025 (by you), 6027, and 6034. When you stop saying things that turn people away, your book sales will increase.

Still, some times of the year Amazon seems to sell less regardless of the author.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
003_faith wrote:
 

Thanks Faith003.

As said, h5-h4 has been drawing for the length of 63 moves.

Really no one noticing this?

 

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
Christopher_Parsons wrote:

4 time zones for the mainland US. If you count Alaska and Hawaii, perhaps 10. I never looked into though.?

Hawaians will soon burn in fire, no need to worry about their time zone.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
m_n0 wrote:
Lyudmil_Tsvetkov wrote:

One downside to having an avatar is you have to change it and that takes a lot of time.

what ??

Indeed, if I write 2 words in reply, it takes 5 seconds.

Posting an avatar, looking for the picture, saving, etc., takes at least 30 seconds and more.

25 seconds lost in vain.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
Christopher_Parsons wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:

Commenting on how one machine plays against another machine does not mean someone has greater knowledge than the machine. Nor does it mean he has greater knowledge than an im or gm. It just means he likes watching machines play against each other. That is my point. It could be that he is so used to watching machines play he lost the ability to consider how humans think. If a machine were buying books he might sell some, as they wouldn't care about his ridiculous claims. But it's humans buying books, and they DO care about ridiculous claims.

It's not Lyudmils critics that have disqualified him. He has disqualified himself. A machine wouldn't care. A machine would only care about the content of his book. But people care about not only the book, but also the author.

So basically you are saying that someone can possess chess knowledge, but not have the skill to back it up? You must have dyslexia. It works the other way around. You can't back it up over the board, if you don't possess the knowledge. 

I bet you are one of those people who thinks Ben Finegold is hilarious, but Lyudmil is arrogant...

I find it hilarious that you attack him about his claims of strength, yet have no concept of what happens if you put 10 GMs in a rating pool, all start at 1200 and have identical records against each other. I could make a big deal about Lyudmil saying perfect chess is played at 10,000 ELOs, but unlike some of you, I understand what he means, when he says what he says. 

Precisely.

Once I get rid of NOISE I will show everyone what I am capable of.

The point is, I can not get rid of NOISE, and the world can not either.

Some people thrive the bigger the noise, although the theory goes humankind develops into a direction of more thoughtful entities, which would requite LESS noise.

Strange...

Those people would like to see me play under noisy conditions to lose all my concentration and perform badly.

Really they would.

But the point is that IS NOT what counts.

What counts is how good you are under OPTIMAL conditions.

One way or another, the important thing is Trump recognised Jerusalem.

Anything more we could possibly wish for?

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
Iam2busy wrote:

Okay, I just want to state my point of view. The book may be good, okay, I accept that.

However, Lyudmil has no right to go around claiming that he's 3500 just because he wrote one fairly good book.

I already told you: I am 3000 and the book 3500.

What is so difficult to understand?

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
Elroch wrote:

Ratings are an empirical MEASUREMENT of chess strength.

Made up ratings are fiction.

Indeed, so what can we do?

I play at 3000 in complete quiet/concentration, 500 points lower under average conditions and 1000 points lower or maybe even 1500 in a discotheque.

Which is the objective measurement?

 

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
Christopher_Parsons wrote:
Elroch wrote:

Ratings are an empirical MEASUREMENT of chess strength.

Made up ratings are fiction.

Empirical or not, it doesn't change the fact they are relative and an estimate. They also aren't necessarily indicative of playing strength, regardless of how you slice it. That is why I find it both silly that Lyudmil chose to try to use them to convince people of his theories and that people give those ideas any merit, based upon ratings, whether for or against his ideas. 

I am a competitive personality, I LIKE competing(or maybe did in the past), under FAIR conditions.

A person who scores 5-6 goals in a soccer game each and every time could not possibly be bad at competing.

My problem is I got too carried away with intellectual pursuits and now I can not find a quiet enough surrounding to normally play.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
pfren wrote:

Ratings are statistical data created by standard, generally accepted methods based on games played under various time controls.

If someone does not play chess (anymore), like Lyudmil, then his exact rating is zero.

Or maybe subzero.

I am happy with -600 happy.png

Still, I will be able to easily beat you.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
CheckersBeatsChess wrote:
Fer8799 wrote:

I have read a lot of comments in the thread, and Im agree with those that say, play and show it. Do a performance of 2400 in an important open, and then come back here and post it. you will a sell a lot of books if you are able to do it, and probably spending less time than writing replays here.

I told him that if he got an anonymous account on here to 2800 in blitz i would buy 10 of his books for local schools (and one for myself).  There is NO cost to creating a test account and putting it into practice, then linking the two when his methods work.  I got nothing but excuses.  Going to a real life tournament will generate nothing but excuses.  I feel like this is a deep troll but there has clearly been so much work put into the books, even if the evaluations are made up, just constructing that many diagrams for a troll is a lot of work.

The book gives evaluations without proof so everyone who says its great is saying so without theoretical proof or any "proof of application".  Why is a pawn in front of a knight in the middle of the board 12 ctp instead of 14 ctp or 24 ctp?  No justification is given and no experiments using these metrics has been performed.

Get to 2800 on here and you will sell books Lyudmil.  Dont and you wont sell hardly anything.  Its that simple.

You obviously did not read the whole thread.

My values SUCCEEDED in SF, repeatedly.

there is proof and evidence for that, material one.

Knight behind pawn in the mg is, say, 12 cps, because it is around 2 times LESS significant factor than a doubled pawn, and that is worth around 20+ cps.

Really difficult to understand?

Why is my work worth and superior, much much superior?

I will tell you.

Because I consider MANY factors.

Everybody has pair of bishops as a positional factor, right?

But I have more:

- I have standard pair of bishops

- I have pair of bishops when the enemy lacks a bishop, which is worth more

- I have pair of bishops when both kings are castled on different sides of the board, etc.

My knowledge is simply MORE complicated, truer and much more advanced.

As simple as that.

Lyudmil_Tsvetkov
lfPatriotGames wrote:

Which is why he wont do it. He cant. It looks to me like he is using one or more computers to play against other computers. Or maybe a computer plus himself against another computer. Then he comments on the games or analyzes them. Incredibly boring and of no use to someone like me. The last time he played he got beat by a 1900 but tied against a 2100. Given his concern about playing people (especially in a tournament) I think his ability and performance would be about 1800 or 1900. In reality though IM pfren is probably right, as of now his rating is probably zero. Unless they use his last known rating, which was about 2100.

He would do fine in any given tournament, even have a chance of winning, if he were allowed to use his computers.

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You are crazy, man.

Computers are not like horses, you know.