The Status of Female Players in Chess

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HowDoesTheHorseMove
HalfSigma wrote:

That's EXACTLY what I said in my post, that women find chess boring, but some posters seem mad at me for saying it.


Nobody seems mad at you. They just disagree with your contention.


Chessstudent

One good thing I can say About my Ex-..

 When I was married I taught my wife to play,over the years she began to beat me more often. One day my buddy came oveer while we were playing getting on her about her game. I told him he didnt want any of her. after we finished, I turned the board over to them 20+ moves later he was crying, and whining. A very proud moment for me!!!

oldsalt7
I started playing chess some years ago. It keps me occupied and keeps my remaining grey cells from withering away! I really couldn't be bothered with this great Male/Female debate. Men and Women are different. They think differently,behave differently and perhaps have different aspirations. I'm just trying to enjoy the game,and am trying to improve. However there will always be a whole bunch of better players ( males/females/grownups/kids etc etc ) than myself,and I'm not going to groan about that. The best way for most of us 'Patzers' to play chess,is to just enjoy the game and not pretend to get too intelectual about it.
Fromper

You know, there's a lot of really stupid answers in this thread. But I think the best post was by noonoodabamf on the third page. Just read the first few sentences. Prior being to invited to join the school chess club, she'd had this perception of chess players as a bunch of male nerds. At tournaments, some of her male opponents were rude to her. And other than her school's club, which seems to have several female players, there were almost no other girls at the tournament.

 

I think those observations really go to the core of the problem. There's a certain social perception of the game. People who don't play think it's a geeky guy thing, so most girls would never even think about getting involved. Among guys who do play, many think that female players are automatically inferior, so they don't take them seriously. These perceptions end up causing uncomfortable situations for some of the women who do start playing, so some don't stick with the game. And some girls are uncomfortable being the only female at the local club when they do show up, so again, they're less likely to stick around for social reasons. So the problem of less female participation feeds on itself.

 

I noticed something very odd the tournament I played in this past weekend. It was a large tournament, divided into sections by ratings - Open, Under 2000, U1800, U1600, U1400, and U1200. In the top 5 sections, I think there was only one female player out of about 100 people. In the U1200 section, where 80% of the players were under 10 years old, probably about a third of the players were female. This doesn't mean that female players are lousy and can only play in the bottom section. It means that young kids mostly only play in the bottom section until they improve as they get older and move up to higher sections, and more young girls play chess, but don't stick with it as they get older.

 

I've actually heard of that before. Apparently, the social stigma of chess being a geeky activity begins in middle school, so elementary school girls are more likely to play, but most of them drop the game once they reach middle school at 11 years old. Thus, far fewer girls than boys go on to become really good players eventually.

 

--Fromper 


Loomis

"Among guys who do play, many think that female players are automatically inferior, so they don't take them seriously."

 

Among guys who play chess, many of them think that everyone else on the planet is inferior to them. I've met a lot of great personalities in chess, but it only takes a few of these goobers to make chess clubs/tournaments an unappealing social setting. So maybe the real question is why do men put up with it and women don't? I'm sure one aspect is the self perpetuating fact that there are few other women present to identify with. 


EMdare
Unbeliever wrote: Reb wrote: The simple truth is that men and women are NOT equal in everything and chess is simply one of the things that men are better at. Does thie mean women are intelectually inferior? No, I dont think it means that at all. There are many sports where men are vastly superior to women and I , for one, am NOT afraid to point out this simple fact.Chess is a game of intelligence, and, as I pointed out in the beginning, it is statistically improbable that women are just not as smart as men in chess.  In many sports, men are superior to women because us men have different hormones than women, and have a greater ability to gain muscle mass.  There is no male hormone for increased intelligence, so again I ask, why do more men play chess than women?

I'm a 60 year old female.  My father taught me to play when I was a child.  I only play now and again, but I don't think that is why I don't seem to win playing against a man (which is the only sex I prefer to play with).  I think it is because I can't plan more than one move ahead.  But, I must say with a spur of the moment strategy, it does tend to keep one's opponent making moves unplayed before by them and activate fully their thought process.

TheOldReb
I dont think it has to do with numbers alone. More women play scrabble than men and yet men dominate scrabble at the top. Its something to do with being competitive, even fanatical about things. We often hear of men losing everything due to a gambling problem or something else that they were simply fanatical about. How often do we hear of women losing everything because they couldnt quit gambling? Something about men make them more competitive, to the point of complete fanaticism, some might say more "dedicated" and others might say more "fanatical". One word sounds like a compliment, the other doesnt. In any event, good or bad, fanatical or dedicated, men have this tendency more than women and I believe this is why men seem to dominate competitive events....I love women and certainly dont see them as inferior to men but at the same time I dont believe we are all equal. Even all men arent equal, all women arent equal......etc.
silentfilmstar13
To some degree, I agree with Reb's above post.  Men tend to do a few things very well, at whatever cost.  Women are, for the most part, better, more well-rounded individuals.
babatee
i think women just dont have the zeal for playing chess. i dont know why? because most of them even gets tired of the game before making 10 moves.
Arby
babatee wrote: i think women just dont have the zeal for playing chess. i dont know why? because most of them even gets tired of the game before making 10 moves.

10 movesUndecided?! That’s highly unlikely, unless your statistics were solely based on games with novices. I don’t think you’ll see much of that in local/amateur tournaments (especially at club ranks).

 

In a chessbase.com interview with GM Kateryna O. Lahno, she placed emphasis on the emotional factor or nerves…but her assumptions weren’t based on the openings.

 

(I’ve a blog & the site on that interview – that’s if you want the full details.)

 

 

kitten_inactive

guys, listen up carefully, maybe you'll get a clue:

  • young girls enjoy competitive games, i certainly did
  • as teenagers, we get strongly discouraged from competing with males
  • as young women, we have to work, and fighting the glass ceiling
  • as adult women, we have children, houses & husbands to take care of
  • as older women we may, if we're lucky, have time to play again

i tried to play on as a young working woman, but it just got too hard, no free time

 

25 years later i'm retired and alone and i have time on my hands 


and i seem to be doing ok ... any of you loudmouths want a game?  i'm only a woman, and therefore not very good, maybe i will flatter your egos?

 

... or maybe not Kiss


Queenie
Peterbunting wrote:   I am just a new member so don't want to get on the wrong side of anybody, but I don't like the idea of playing chess with women. I mean,imagin you have just reached the middle game, and your opponent says  "I want to take my last three moves back. I have changed my mind".  Or as you are about to make a well thought out move, your opponent leans over giving you a whiff of some exotic perfume and says sweetly " Don't make that move, because if you do you will capture my last remaining bishop."  Hoping I have not said anything wrong.

Oh Peter, you old wind up merchant, still it made me laugh.

mineta

I feel that Judit Polgar is so good, I feel she can

become world champion.

        

Unbeliever-inactive
I do not know about J. Polgar beating Anand or Kramnik in a WCC, but I hope that we have a women's WC soon.
TheOldReb
Judit is a very strong GM and she plays exciting chess. However she isnt even in the top 20 players in the world. She wouldnt stand a chance in a match against any of the top 10 players imo. Surely the WC will come from the top 10.
silentfilmstar13
Unbeliever wrote: I do not know about J. Polgar beating Anand or Kramnik in a WCC, but I hope that we have a women's WC soon.

 It will be a while before this happens.  There are no female players who give us reason to think otherwise.


Unbeliever-inactive

What a conundrum, I cannot deny that all males have a fragile ego and are only stronger than women physically, because defending my ego implies that there is a weak spot I need to defend, thereby making my ego fragile.

 

I just cannot win today. 


TheOldReb
What utter hogwash, I guess thats why women cant compete with men in pool either ? My wife never wanted to play chess with me because she knew she would lose, so one Christmas she suggested we take up a game neither of us knew how to play and both start from scratch together. We decided on Backgammon and she was winning 70% of the games but neither of us really knew what we were doing. I didnt quit but I did buy a few backgammon books and studied the strategy involved a bit and suddenly I was winning 70% of the games. She became angry at me for "ruining" the game for us by studying it. Losing bothered her enough that she never played me after that but not enough for her to study the books herself.
Unbeliever-inactive
Have to go with Reb on this one, although it may be that males as a group have a larger percentage of members who have fragile self-esteem/ egos. I do not think it is related to Gender, but more to personality.
kitten_inactive

hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kiss

 

P.S: i play a mean game of pool, too ... learnt it at Uni, talk about Tertiary education!