The truth about Dr. Frank Brady and Fischer

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RoobieRoo

Indeed it was :D

njeznisport

The tortured and fascinating life of the world’s greatest chess genius.

Great read.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/12/bobby-fischer-s-pathetic-endgame/302634/

Darth_Algar
robbie_1969 wrote:
Darth_Algar wrote:
he certainly has the knowledge and training to make an educated guess.

Would you attend a physician if he diagnosed you by guessing? No neither would I.

No, but if someone trained in cardiology stated that a man who lived with him for a time appared to show signs of heart failure I wouldn't entirely dismiss his opinion.

SmyslovFan

Thanks for sharing the link, njenisport. I'm pretty sure I read that article when it was first published.

njeznisport

Well, tbh the article is easyread and informative. And the author is not jewish so Bobby can rest in peace Tongue Out. Is it biased? Who cares? (maybe some quasi writers, but who cares...).

The_Ghostess_Lola

There's nothing wrong w/ being EQ retarded. Not accepting it is where the problem belies.

Ziryab
power_2_the_people wrote:

 Lola, social intelligence is the new intelligence. and soon it will be virtual intelligence. can one accept all of that without one gnashing his\her theet?

That was David Riesman's prediction in 1950. He didn't know that his sociological study was a dystopic novel.

GrahaMasterBuckner

You have refused to read a book. Ok, no problem. It becomes undesirable, however, for said book-begrudger to then flock to the interwebs, deny the entire concept of the book and claim it as fraudulent. The cherry on top is your demanding to know what's written in it from other people like a child who demands and debates with his parents  about how much easter candy he deserves; even more-so like the lazy student who skips class and then mass emails the whole class asking for a copy of the notes. Do you know anything about Fischer? The author did. Do you know anything about what is said in the book? Clearly not as you bash the author for his falling out with Bobby while he puts that in the friggin authors note. It's like one page in to the book. Have you heard what he had said in later life? He was deteriorating mentally. Nobody is claiming a diagnosis but if you're telling me you think the majority of humans think that way then you're TOO crazy to play chess- and that's saying a lot! Bobby had issues. As chessplayers, we feel enamored with his sensationalism on the board- but you sir seem like you're trying to demonize us for seeing through bobbys bull$***- and he did have plenty of that. Know who would know that better than you or I? Frank Brady

Stfu and read it if you're going to get all upset and entitled about it.

kindaspongey

Has robbie_1969 been here since 2015?

notmtwain
kindaspongey wrote:

Has robbie_1969 been here since 2015?

He logged in today.  

RoobieRoo
GrahaMasterBuckner wrote:

Stfu and read it if you're going to get all upset and entitled about it.

Actually I read the book shortly after authoring this thread and it confirmed my hypothesis.  It was and is a piece of regurgitated sensationalistic tabloid journalism (he uses a lot of material from his other travesty of justice, Profile of a Prodigy) that offers not a single piece of credible evidence that Fisher was suffering from any debilitating mental illness and certainly none that describes his alledged descent into 'the edge of madness', as described by Dr. Brady in the title of his ill conceived tome.   But please don't let that discourage you for if I ever need some unsolicited advice from a bone fide windbag who has a singular belief in naught but his own propaganda then you da man.  

I have one proviso though, please try to refrain from telling me what I can and cannot say in threads that I originate because quite frankly you have NO jurisdiction here and if you are going to proffer empty, devoid, vacuous, bereft, wooden, predictable and insipid platitudes please try to refrain from using foul language even in abbreviated form, its a dead give away for a lack of proper decorum and reflects badly on the issuer.  Surely there  are some more imaginative and colourful pejoratives that you can utilise other than telling people to STFU?  I refuse to believe you are so uncreative.

The claims that Dr. Brady knew Fischer in the latter part of Fischer's life and career have been dealt with in this thread ad nauseam and there is no need to regurgitate them again.  Brady certainly did not know Fischer after he wrote the book Profile of a Prodigy which was originally published in 1973 because Fischer took exception to being described as Jewish by Dr. Brady and infact would have nothing to do with him afterwards.

RoobieRoo

Robbie_1969 was here today, gone tomorrow :D

MickinMD

There are various degrees of "madness" ranging from the neurotic to the severely insane.  There was something certainly mentally off-balance with Bobby.

RoobieRoo

I see. . . . . so we have a semantic argument based on various 'shades of meaning' of the term 'madness' which lies on a spectrum.  Man call me crazy but I just need a little bit more, you know something like empirical evidence based on a medical examination.  Weird I know.

bbeltkyle89
robbie_1969 wrote:

I see. . . . . so we have a semantic argument based on various 'shades of meaning' of the term 'madness' which lies on a spectrum.  Man call me crazy but I just need a little bit more, you know something like empirical evidence based on a medical examination.  Weird I know.

i wont call you crazy...but i'll say you might be on the edge

RoobieRoo

on the edge. . . I see, of the table? a chair? a large precipice looking down into a croc infested gorge?

RoobieRoo
micky1943 wrote:

Whenever you read a post with the words "The Truth" in the title, you can be sure you are entering the realm of fantasy

really? why is that.

RoobieRoo
micky1943 wrote:

Because people who claim to tell the "truth" about a complicated subject where they have no personal knowledge, are fooling themselves as well as fooling you

Really? So you think that Dr. Bradys portrayals of Fischer are a complicated subject? Surely all one has to do is read the literature and see if the claims he has made can be substantiated. One does not need personal knowledge for this, one only has to see what he has written and use deductive logic to ascertain if the claims have any merit.  For example, Dr. Brady claims a personal intimacy with Fischer.  This was true prior to 1973 but after he published his book Profile of a prodigy and bowed to the dictates of the publishers rather than Fischer who read the transcript prior to publishing and asked him to amend his depiction of Fischer as Jewish he certainly had little contact if any. Does one need to know Dr. Bardy or Fischer personally to have deduced this? I don't think so and the idea that we must know someone personally in order to test certain premises that they postulate I doubt will stand to scrutiny.

deathofrats
Medical professionals no longer use the word "madness" to describe a mental condition.

You could argue that Fischer was mad, based on the more modern meaning of the word, which is that it is "denoting mental instability" which I personally believe Fischer was.

On the other hand you appear to have made your mind up before starting this thread or reading the book, and then chose to simply interpret everything everyone else says as lies, fallacious or irrelevant so...
Uncle_Bent

Hey we can't say for sure if Vincent Van Gogh was at the edge of madness.  We never knew him.  Maybe he cut off an ear because the left earplug was broken on his IPod.