The truth about Dr. Frank Brady and Fischer

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Darth_Algar

You're judging a book based an a sensationalist tagline that was, in all likelihood, placed on the cover by the publisher (since the publisher is the one who comissions and approves the cover), not the author. Read the book before you judge it or its author. It's actually one of the most balanced accounts of Fischer's life that I've seen. 

Also: you'll not find a medical diagnosis for "madness" because "madness" isn't actually a medical condition or diagnosis. It's about on the level of calling someone an "asshole" (which, I'll contend, Bobby Fischer most certainly was. Perhaps the cover should have read "from America's chess prodigy to an asshole").

RoobieRoo
batgirl wrote:

This whole thread is based upon nonsense and its premise is blatant anti-intellecualism.

Calling for evidence is hardly nonsense or anti-intellectualism.  Clearly because of your association with Brady you are incapable of rational thought or of producing evidence for any of the claims that he has made concerning Fischer.

RoobieRoo
fabelhaft wrote:

"Dr.Brady has no rational basis for concluding that Fischer was, 'on the edge of madness '.  For this I dont need to read Bradys book, I can listen to radio interviews given by Fischer himself"

Have you listened to any of these interviews?

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/fischer.html

and what leads you to believe from the excerpt that you cite that Fischer is, 'on the edge of madness'? that he is anti Jewish.  That there are not powerful Jewish lobbying bodies within the United states? That its inconceivable that the USA is persuing him? That he denies the holocaust? Do tell what leads you to conclude from the excerpt that you cited that warrants a diagnosis of, 'on the edge of madness'.

RoobieRoo
JRL1031 wrote:
robbie_1969 wrote:

2. That Dr.Brady has no rational basis for concluding that Fischer was, 'on the edge of madness '.  For this I dont need to read Bradys book, I can listen to radio interviews given by Fischer himself, read what Fischer has written himself and make an evaluation.

As others who have read the book have pointed out, Dr. Brady never makes any specific claims that Fischer was on the edge of madness. You seem to be basing that on the title of the book, but authors usually don't have the final say on the title.  The publisher, and specifically the marketing department of the publisher, usually has the final say.  They pick the title that will sell the most books, whether it actually jives with the book itself or not. 

If as you say he makes no specific claims that Fischer was on the edge of madness then why does he utilise it in the title of his book?  Is it not an insinuation or at very least an intimation that Fischer had mental health issues? so tell us why he included it in the title of his book.

RoobieRoo
Darth_Algar wrote:

You're judging a book based an a sensationalist tagline that was, in all likelihood, placed on the cover by the publisher (since the publisher is the one who comissions and approves the cover), not the author. Read the book before you judge it or its author. It's actually one of the most balanced accounts of Fischer's life that I've seen. 

Also: you'll not find a medical diagnosis for "madness" because "madness" isn't actually a medical condition or diagnosis. It's about on the level of calling someone an "asshole" (which, I'll contend, Bobby Fischer most certainly was. Perhaps the cover should have read "from America's chess prodigy to an asshole").

Have you any evidence that the title was placed there by the publishers? and even if it was has Dr. Brady not the integrity to resist such a tabloid style title? surely he must have been consulted and approved of it, even tacitly?  He has demonstrated before that he cares more about the interests of his publishers than he does about making a fair and accurate portrayal of Robert James Fischer, why should this be any different?

Your opinions regarding Fischer are meaningless to anyone but you.  If you are going to make bombastic comments with no substantiating evidence then you cannot expect others to give them any weight and we can safely dismiss them on that  basis.  It appears that their sole veracity is based upon the premise, they are true because i say they are true.

doppelgangsterII

If it acts crazier than a bedbug, if it talks crazier than a bedbug, it it has the appearance of a crazy bedbug...there's better than a 50-50 chance it's a crazy bedbug.

RoobieRoo
doppelgangsterII wrote:

If it acts crazier than a bedbug, if it talks crazier than a bedbug, it it has the appearance of a crazy bedbug...there's better than a 50-50 chance it's a crazy bedbug.

Evidence for Fischers alleged decent to 'the edge of madness', NIL.

Darth_Algar

For fuck's sake...

ipcress12

Batgirl is correct.

Brady never provides evidence that Fischer was insane, mad, paranoid or schizophrenic etc. because he never calls Fischer any of those things.

In fact in the matter of Fischer's dental fillings, Brady defends Fischer from the charge of "insanity" and chalks that accusation up to shoddy journalism and urban legend.

It's common knowledge that publishers change or replace titles of books and articles for marketing purposes -- often to the writer's chagrin.

See http://www.theawl.com/2011/06/four-writers-tell-all-about-titles .

Robbie, read the Brady book or get off your hobby horse.

fabelhaft

"Brady defends Fischer from the charge of "insanity" and chalks that accusation up to shoddy journalism and urban legend"

The question is rather why so many find it so important to call it shoddy journalism and urban legend etc and not at all anything related to mental problems. Anyone who has read the description by one of Fischer's friends in Iceland of how he walks around the rooms early in the morning, waking the others with his very loud monologues on Jews etc realise that something was very, very wrong. It's something else than having non-PC views and being slightly eccentric.

ipcress12

fab: I'd agree Fischer had problems and said so in earlier comments, but whether we call that insanity or madness, as robbie insists Brady does although Brady never has, is another question.

_Number_6
robbie_1969 wrote:

Calling for evidence is hardly nonsense or anti-intellectualism. 

No, not reading books is anti-intellectualism.  Again, not reading the book, you actually have no way of evaluating anything Brady wrote let alone any evidence he presents or if he even attempts to support the sub-title. 

doppelgangsterII
robbie_1969 wrote:
doppelgangsterII wrote:

If it acts crazier than a bedbug, if it talks crazier than a bedbug, it it has the appearance of a crazy bedbug...there's better than a 50-50 chance it's a crazy bedbug.

Evidence for Fischers alleged decent to 'the edge of madness', NIL.

I wonder if Fischer could even spell "descent"?

 

When he had his fillings drilled out because he thought the Russians were using them for transmitting radio signals was just a hint that his brain was already squirming like a toad.   

batgirl
doppelgangsterII wrote:
When he had his fillings drilled out because he thought the Russians were using them for transmitting radio signals was just a hint that his brain was already squirming like a toad.   

See posting #41.

odisea777
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odisea777

condemning a book that you refuse to read. wow. 

batgirl

So much for truth.

doppelgangsterII
batgirl wrote:
doppelgangsterII wrote:
When he had his fillings drilled out because he thought the Russians were using them for transmitting radio signals was just a hint that his brain was already squirming like a toad.   

See posting #41.

I read #41.

My comment about his fillings was based on an article about Fischer posted in Sports Illustrated many years ago.  Maybe it was misinformation.  

In any case the author (?) had gone to great lengths to try to interview FIscher.  He'd heard that F had been seen in a particular library so he hung out there hoping to encounter F himself.  At some point he was able to spot him and began to tail him.   Fischer went through elaborate procedures to avoid the possibility of being followed.  Get on a bus, jump off somewhere unexpectedly, catch another bus, make another sudden change further on...

In the ensuing years his nutbag behavior became more publicly visible and his anti-semetic rants weren't the ravings of a person in their right mind.   He was coocoo-bananas socially even before he went off the deep end. He acted like the entitled brat exhibiting no graciousness whatsoever to the people who enabled him to survive. It was very difficult to maintain any respect for him as a human but perhaps a lot of pity.

It was terrible to me he surrendered his gifts and gave himself up to so much hate.

doppelgangsterII

Batgirl, I almost forgot.  

You responded to me in another thread started by the geek who pretends he's a girl.  Evidently because I've called him out on his charade he has prevented me from being about to make anymore comments in threads he starts.  Now I forgot what I was going to say to you but I surely hope you don't take the "girl-to-girl" crap he posts seriously. 

batgirl

No, I don't take that person seriously...even I have some standards.

Brady mentioned that Fischer is said to have used that reason in an interview  -Brady construed it as a Fischer's humor  - but goes on to say that Fischer's association with Ethel Collins, Jack's wife, who developed gum disease led his to that health decision.