Thoughts on using Psychology to win games?[Rant]

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Fiset wrote:

Against my better judgement, I actually looked at the wiki article on using psychology to win chess games.  Here are a few highlights:

 

"Take ten moves to do what you could do in two. This makes your opponent begin to lose his caution. He finds no meaning in your last six moves, and gives up looking"

 

Oh yes, by all means, please take ten moves to do what you wish to accomplish in two.  I'll be so confused that I won't know how to gain any sort of advantage while you're stalling. 

 

"Use fake outs over the board. This includes not looking at the part of the board you're actually thinking about, pretending to concentrate when your opponent has forgotten to hit the clock so that he doesn't notice his time running"

 

Yeah, because thats how I want to win...by hoping my opponent doesn't notice his time is running.  In fact, I'm not at all interested in sportsmanship.  Maybe I should apply super-glue to his seat before he sits down.  That way when he needs a bathroom break, he won't be able to go and I'll gain an edge. 

 

"Older players tend to rely on their knowledge of positional chess and they play a tough opening and a tough ending. If you play a closed positional/space game they will defeat you easily. Try and open up the position and get them into a game that is all "Tactics" because this is where they break down and make mistakes in calculations or they just "miss" seeing a few threats"

 

Oh, I see.  Older players can't handle tactics.  Got it.  Silly me, I've been trying to just play the best moves I can, one at a time.  Little did I realize I could have short-cutted years of study and analysis by just playing "open" positions. 

 

Good grief.  Seriously, OP, if these are the sorts of tactics that are working against you or the sort of tactics you think you need to employ in order to improve, you're playing a far different game than I. 

Could not have said it better.

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Psychology is totally central to chess strategy.  The most important thing is to discipline your own psyche to a certain habit of rigorous and efficient thought.  But psychological strategy is also useful against opponents, and this is best seen in opening repertoire selection. 

For instance I always meet 1.e4 e5 2. f4 with 2...d5, the Falkbeer Countergambit.  I think this is a great strategic idea: my opponent wants to play an attacking game where she keeps the initiative at the cost of some material, and she wants me to defend.  So I offer a countergambit and try to turn the tables on the presumption that my opponent is less comfortable being up a pawn but down the initiative.  In the opening I do my best to disrupt what I see as my opponent's expectations.  In fact I see the opening as two players not trying to make the 'best' moves, but trying to direct the game into territory where they will be the psychologically comfortable one.  It's certainly different at top levels, but at the club level, that's a big strategic edge.

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In fact I see the opening as two players not trying to make the 'best' moves, but trying to direct the game into territory where they will be the psychologically comfortable one.

Vanda: Exactly.

Everyone has to "play the board."
But these days most competitors also "play the man."

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ipcress12 wrote:

Everyone has to "play the board."
But these days most competitors also "play the man."

So true, lol.

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“I don't believe in psychology. I believe in good moves.”

~ Bobby Fischer

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It can be important to choose the right openings against your competors.

When I qualified to play 14 very tough masters in the Finals of a correspondence USA Championship, this was very important.

One player I had played before who held me to a draw in a French Defense. He was very strong with that opening so rather than open 1. e4 I opened 1. c4!

Against another player who played a nice line vs 1. e4 , I played 1. c4!

However against some other players and in most of my games 1. e4! was my move.

Against 4 players I played a line not in vogue at the time: I played as Black:  1. e4  d5  2. exd5  Qxd5  3. Nc3  Qa4.

In USCF in one tournament I played the Smith Morra against one of the top players [over 2400] and the game was drawn. But he kept the game going until after 2 in the morning and then I had to drive home and then go to work and then drive back to Chicago with no sleep at all!

Then paired with a grandmaster!  I decided to do a little gamble as was in no condition to play a long positional game and so played with White:

 



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iMacChess wrote:

“I don't believe in psychology. I believe in good moves.”

~ Bobby Fischer

Didn't't he dabble in Scientology? I think there is some weird L. Ron Hubbard stuff going on in that statement.

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@Masamune314:

From everything I've read and seen he was never involved with Scientology. He was involved with (The Worldwide Church of God) which I guess one could say was just as bad. That's one of the many reasons why I stay away from religion altogether.

Avatar of ruben72d

in my match last week against a club mate i had a strange game. we played an italian game and after 4... Bc5 5Nc3 Nf6 6 o-o i played the absurd Nxe4 with the d5 trick in mind. Id totally overlooked that this loses a piece which i realized 5secs after i played it. instead of having a panic i tried to bluff him, trying to look bored and annoyed and asking him almost why he wasn't playing faster as "everybody knows this is theory right" after a long think he finally played the move Bxf7 and i was never so happy to see someone sac on f7:). I was still theoretically lost but i guess the blow was so hard and i managed to get a nice position a few moves after this happened. psychology can play a role :)

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The only trick I can imagine being effective on any decent chess player would be staring at them the whole game.  Even if this were to bother you, though, just do the little hands cupped around your eyes thing and that goes away.  If you are worrying about psychological tricks during a chess game, you need to work on your chess game.  Or figure out how to do the cupped hands thing.

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pawpatrol wrote:

The only trick I can imagine being effective on any decent chess player would be staring at them the whole game.  Even if this were to bother you, though, just do the little hands cupped around your eyes thing and that goes away.  If you are worrying about psychological tricks during a chess game, you need to work on your chess game.  Or figure out how to do the cupped hands thing.

You need to get a better imagination. Tongue Out

Avatar of PossibleOatmeal

Not sure what you are getting at.

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ponz111 wrote:

pawpatrol wrote:

The only trick I can imagine being effective on any decent chess player would be staring at them the whole game.  Even if this were to bother you, though, just do the little hands cupped around your eyes thing and that goes away.  If you are worrying about psychological tricks during a chess game, you need to work on your chess game.  Or figure out how to do the cupped hands thing.

You need to get a better imagination.

-Clearing throat

-Coughing

-Sneezing

-"Accidentaly" kicking leg under the table

-Humming

-Whistling

-Heavy mouth breathing

-Footsie

-Drumming fingers on table

-Vigourously shaking up and down in a nervous fashion

I could go on all day...

Avatar of PossibleOatmeal

All of which are intentional distractions that can be brought to the attention of the tournament director.  Those are covered by the rules of the game.  Even the last one.

Avatar of Masamune314

Ah. Well, I am a casual player so...

Avatar of PossibleOatmeal

Anyone that did anything like that ina  casual game I would just stop playing and never play them again.

Avatar of Masamune314

Well, never said I personally did those things...

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Fiset wrote:

Against my better judgement, I actually looked at the wiki article on using psychology to win chess games.  Here are a few highlights:

 

"Take ten moves to do what you could do in two. This makes your opponent begin to lose his caution. He finds no meaning in your last six moves, and gives up looking"

 

Oh yes, by all means, please take ten moves to do what you wish to accomplish in two.  I'll be so confused that I won't know how to gain any sort of advantage while you're stalling. 

 

"Use fake outs over the board. This includes not looking at the part of the board you're actually thinking about, pretending to concentrate when your opponent has forgotten to hit the clock so that he doesn't notice his time running"

 

Yeah, because thats how I want to win...by hoping my opponent doesn't notice his time is running.  In fact, I'm not at all interested in sportsmanship.  Maybe I should apply super-glue to his seat before he sits down.  That way when he needs a bathroom break, he won't be able to go and I'll gain an edge. 

 

"Older players tend to rely on their knowledge of positional chess and they play a tough opening and a tough ending. If you play a closed positional/space game they will defeat you easily. Try and open up the position and get them into a game that is all "Tactics" because this is where they break down and make mistakes in calculations or they just "miss" seeing a few threats"

 

Oh, I see.  Older players can't handle tactics.  Got it.  Silly me, I've been trying to just play the best moves I can, one at a time.  Little did I realize I could have short-cutted years of study and analysis by just playing "open" positions. 

 

Good grief.  Seriously, OP, if these are the sorts of tactics that are working against you or the sort of tactics you think you need to employ in order to improve, you're playing a far different game than I. 

i bet this stuff really does work in the lower levels of chess - im no master but when people play lesss logically and more emotionally, i can see how this stuff works

Avatar of ponz111

petro is referring to some tricks [very unsportsmanlike] some people do at very low levels of chess.

However there are many legit psychology tricks one can do at high levels of chess.

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If you don't think psychology is important in chess, try watching Nakamura play against Carlsen.