jengaias wrote:
AIM-AceMove has a point here.
... And for beginners there are no "boring endgames".Every simple winning endgame is a welcome exercise.
Totally agree!
Tip For Beginners: Play A Lot Of 5/0 Blitz
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Jun 3, 2017
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#83
Dude, 5 0? At least make it 5 5 so they don't have to worry about last-second time scrambles in winning positions
turk505 wrote:
Dude, 5 0? At least make it 5 5 so they don't have to worry about last-second time scrambles in winning positions
Gotta pick your chess "culture" though. I'm an aging rhino, I do get why incs are showing up for long games, but it DOES still affect those of us who learned the "develop a hurricane" style of chess and watch your opponent chew up 5 min blocks of time per move until near the end it becomes mayhem. Blitz skills used to be the "closer" at the end. Now you have "forever" to make 15 more "cleanup" moves.
But 5 0 and 3 0 are the park / street standards. No one plays incs in street games. My game is calibrated exactly at 5 0, but I grumpily play 3 0 in parks based on board logistics.
Jun 5, 2017
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#85
havelock3 wrote:
jengaias wrote:
AIM-AceMove has a point here.
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It would seem so but AIM-AceMove's points are only meaningful to him because he has a specific view of what "real" chess is and how "real" players play. Blitz, daily chess, and everything in between are all real chess. Being a purist only gives the illusion of authority/insight where in reality we are just creating straw men we can easily knock down.
For sure there is a vast difference between correspondence style play and live or OTB play but that's the whole point. They all have their pros and cons. They all have something different and valuable to offer. To pooh-pooh one over the other is meaningless and not helpful to newcomers.
Some of the points that AIM-AceMove makes against daily chess, and many others make too, are precisely what makes daily chess such a valuable and useful tool for learning. Using the analysis board, using the openings explorer, researching similar games, reading books, watching videos all in order to analyse and figure out your own moves is the point. It's simply a great way to study chess and in the process have fun playing real games. [Though I would recommend that complete beginners initial avoid use the openings explorer.]
Obviously this style of play/learning does not prepare the beginner for the other forms of chess where you have to fly solo as it where and have limited time to make moves. I think everyone understands that. Yes, daily chess ratings will be much more inflated compared to live ratings (at least initially) but that doesn't invalidate the gains one gets from playing it.
The reality is that daily chess is ideal for beginners. I should know, I am one. It does have it's drawbacks. It's not perfect and yes, my live rating (USCF 1080P(10)) is terrible but playing a lot of 5 minute blitz games is not going to help me beat the players at my chess club... unless of course the club actually played lots of blitz games... but they don't. (The fastest time control is G45;+15)
And to be clear, I'm not saying to beginners "don't play blitz" or "only play daily". Do what you feel is best... but be realistic about expectations and be skeptical about simplistic advice. There are no shortcuts for improving at chess but there plenty of ways to get nowhere fast.
1680 Daily rating with 1080 uscf (~1000 fide) OTB rating , enough said :)
If you were playing blitz instead of those daily games, even if you lost more than half of them ur definetely wont be 1080 OTB at 45+15 :), much higher.
In my opinion blitz chess wont help you that much to improve your chess skills. The best way to improve is to play long time control games and analyse them while also reading chess books about opening and middlegame and endgame.
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Evolem wrote:
In my opinion blitz chess wont help you that much to improve your chess skills. The best way to improve is to play long time control games and analyse them while also reading chess books about opening and middlegame and endgame.
stfu fag this is chess no one cares
rsizzl wrote:
i am a retard
yes you are totally right
Jun 5, 2017
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#90
intermediatedinoz wrote:
Never met a gm who was at the bottom of a blitz tournament
This is a topic about improvement techniques for beginners. GMs are not beginners looking to improve.
Jun 5, 2017
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#91
AIM-AceMove wrote:
havelock3 wrote:
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The reality is that daily chess is ideal for beginners. I should know, I am one. It does have it's drawbacks. It's not perfect and yes, my live rating (USCF 1080P(10)) is terrible but playing a lot of 5 minute blitz games is not going to help me beat the players at my chess club... unless of course the club actually played lots of blitz games... but they don't. (The fastest time control is G45;+15)
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1680 Daily rating with 1080 uscf (~1000 fide) OTB rating , enough said :)
If you were playing blitz instead of those daily games, even if you lost more than half of them ur definetely wont be 1080 OTB at 45+15 :), much higher.
Well I'm an extreme example as I decided that the best use of my limited time was to focus solely on daily chess. But I'm in no hurry to either and I don't really care what my rating is, only that it improves over time, i.e. that I'm improving over time.
Having said that, my ultimate goal is to have a decent OTB rating so I will have to start allocating significant energy to playing live games. Still I won't be doing many 5 minute blitz games, if any. I think 15 minute games would be the best trade off.
AIM-AceMove has a point here.
....
It would seem so but AIM-AceMove's points are only meaningful to him because he has a specific view of what "real" chess is and how "real" players play. Blitz, daily chess, and everything in between are all real chess. Being a purist only gives the illusion of authority/insight where in reality we are just creating straw men we can easily knock down.
For sure there is a vast difference between correspondence style play and live or OTB play but that's the whole point. They all have their pros and cons. They all have something different and valuable to offer. To pooh-pooh one over the other is meaningless and not helpful to newcomers.
Some of the points that AIM-AceMove makes against daily chess, and many others make too, are precisely what makes daily chess such a valuable and useful tool for learning. Using the analysis board, using the openings explorer, researching similar games, reading books, watching videos all in order to analyse and figure out your own moves is the point. It's simply a great way to study chess and in the process have fun playing real games. [Though I would recommend that complete beginners initial avoid use the openings explorer.]
Obviously this style of play/learning does not prepare the beginner for the other forms of chess where you have to fly solo as it where and have limited time to make moves. I think everyone understands that. Yes, daily chess ratings will be much more inflated compared to live ratings (at least initially) but that doesn't invalidate the gains one gets from playing it.
The reality is that daily chess is ideal for beginners. I should know, I am one. It does have it's drawbacks. It's not perfect and yes, my live rating (USCF 1080P(10)) is terrible but playing a lot of 5 minute blitz games is not going to help me beat the players at my chess club... unless of course the club actually played lots of blitz games... but they don't. (The fastest time control is G45;+15)
And to be clear, I'm not saying to beginners "don't play blitz" or "only play daily". Do what you feel is best... but be realistic about expectations and be skeptical about simplistic advice. There are no shortcuts for improving at chess but there plenty of ways to get nowhere fast.