Traxler Counter-Attack

camter

Follow every post on this topic. I love the Traxler, as i won so many games with it. But, I think it is agreed by all that a booked up master White player will at worst end up drawing it.

But, the opponent has to be booked up. It just is so agressive by Black, and White has plenty of fairly plausible moves which lose.

Yigor
camter wrote:

Follow every post on this topic. I love the Traxler, as i won so many games with it. But, I think it is agreed by all that a booked up master White player will at worst end up drawing it.

But, the opponent has to be booked up. It just is so agressive by Black, and White has plenty of fairly plausible moves which lose.

 

Yes, indeed, it was already pointed out. In some situations (e.g. a game against a stronger player), 5. Nxf7 guarantees U a draw (if U are booked up, of course). wink.png

Yigor
Conquistador wrote:

The above line is a known anti-engine trap line since many engines will recommend the line if you head down the 5.Nxf7 variation and will not see the coming destruction because of the horizon effect.

 

It's not only the horizon effect but also flaws in algorithms. Engines know about drawish lines but persist to neglect them cuz of better intermediate options.

Pinus_sylvestris

Ok

I analyzed this for very long and I see, it's a good variation :-)

tmkroll

There was another thread on this a few days back where I was looking at this variation and didn't see 0-0-0 because I thought I was supposed to be looking for a draw so I went for the repetitions that were on the board. Thanks Conquistador for showing my error.

Roofless

Was under the impression the bust to the Traxler was 5.Nxf7! Bxf2+ 6.Kxf2! Nxe4+ 7.Ke3!!

Conquistador
Roofless wrote:

Was under the impression the bust to the Traxler was 5.Nxf7! Bxf2+ 6.Kxf2! Nxe4+ 7.Ke3!!

The last time we looked at that line, I remember that it was fairly forcing for both sides.

5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6.Kxf2 Nxe4+ 7.Ke3 Qh4 8.g3 Nxg3 9.hxg3 Qd4+ 10.Kf3 d5 11.Rh4 e4+ 12.Kg2 0-0 which branched off into a number of variations.

One example line would be this:

13.Bb3 Rxf7 14.Qg1 Qe5 15.Nc3 g5 which should be equal.  Most variations sort of peter out into equality or advantage to black.  It is certainly a better try than 7.Kg1 which gives white near zero winning chances.  

mjunius

Edit: never mind, i realized my mistake

gambitfan

I played 5 times the Traxler in completed games and I am playing one right now.

My 4 completed games were the variant 5 Nxf7,  75% 0-1

A 5th one is with 5 0-0 ?! 0-1 as well.

My present one is the 5 Bxf7 variant.

What does chessgames.com say about the Traxler ?

320 games in the data bank.

24% win for White|16% draw|60% win for Black.

The 2 main variants are:

the Bxf7+ variant (166) 33|18|49

the Nxf7 variant (125) 12|13|75

The Bxf7+ variant seems better for White.

chessgames.com does not give a lot of material after those moves.

No famous players playing that variant.

Traxler is good for Black if White do not know how to offer a counterplay.

My personal conclusion is that from now on after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 g5 ... I shall answer 4 ... d5 5 ed Na5, which is more secure.

pfren
gambitfan έγραψε:

I played 5 times the Traxler in completed games and I am playing one right now.

My 4 completed games were the variant 5 Nxf7,  75% 0-1

A 5th one is with 5 0-0 ?! 0-1 as well.

My present one is the 5 Bxf7 variant.

What does chessgames.com say about the Traxler ?

320 games in the data bank.

24% win for White|16% draw|60% win for Black.

The 2 main variants are:

the Bxf7+ variant (166) 33|18|49

the Nxf7 variant (125) 12|13|75

The Bxf7+ variant seems better for White.

chessgames.com does not give a lot of material after those moves.

No famous players playing that variant.

Traxler is good for Black if White do not know how to offer a counterplay.

My personal conclusion is that from now on after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 g5 ... I shall answer 4 ... d5 5 ed Na5, which is more secure.

 

5.Bxf7+ is indeed better for white, and the best line may well be 5.Bxf7+ Ke7 6.Bc4!, which is much less played than 6.Bb3 or 6.Bd5.

And my personal opinion is that 5.d4! is painfully close to being a refutation of the Traxler.

gambitfan

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1890602

"Blood on the Trax" (game of the day May-25-2018)

Chessgames Thematic Challenge (2017), chessgames.com, rd 2, Nov-01

Italian Game: Two Knights Defense. Traxler Counterattack Bishop sac line (C57)  ·  1-0
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3 games on chessgames 1x1-0, 2x 0-1

beafraid3

All opening are good against someone

poucin
beafraid3 a écrit :

All opening are good against someone

especially 1.f4 followed by g4.