Trick to drop opponent's connection? - Chess Forums - Page 2

IMKeto

Jun 13, 2019

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kthprog wrote:

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

I noticed that sometimes when I'm winning handily my connection will suddenly drop even though my internet is fine, and I'm starting to wonder if certain players have figured out how to game the connection stuff. I definitely didn't actually drop my connection and it's happened 4 or 5 times. I have to open it up on my phone and enter the game id as fast as possible to not lose time and it can end up causing me to lose in tight games where time is getting low. It really sucks when you lose a game because the website claims you dropped your connection when you didn't, especially when you're playing a really good game against a higher rated opponent.

Why is it, that anytime someone claims to be hacked, lagged, poor connection, etc. Its always during a "crushing" win? Its never during a loss.

Because who cares if you lose your connection when you're losing? I'm not going to complain that chess.com drops my connections when I'm in a totally losing endgame being crushed by my opponent lol.

That'd be like complaining about the meal service while your plane is crashing.

So losing your connection is ok when its a win, but its not ok when its a loss?

kthprog

Jun 13, 2019

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#22

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

I noticed that sometimes when I'm winning handily my connection will suddenly drop even though my internet is fine, and I'm starting to wonder if certain players have figured out how to game the connection stuff. I definitely didn't actually drop my connection and it's happened 4 or 5 times. I have to open it up on my phone and enter the game id as fast as possible to not lose time and it can end up causing me to lose in tight games where time is getting low. It really sucks when you lose a game because the website claims you dropped your connection when you didn't, especially when you're playing a really good game against a higher rated opponent.

Why is it, that anytime someone claims to be hacked, lagged, poor connection, etc. Its always during a "crushing" win? Its never during a loss.

Because who cares if you lose your connection when you're losing? I'm not going to complain that chess.com drops my connections when I'm in a totally losing endgame being crushed by my opponent lol.

That'd be like complaining about the meal service while your plane is crashing.

So losing your connection is ok when its a win, but its not ok when its a loss?

That's the exact opposite of what I said. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume my communication skills could use work lol.

IMKeto

Jun 13, 2019

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#23

kthprog wrote:

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

I noticed that sometimes when I'm winning handily my connection will suddenly drop even though my internet is fine, and I'm starting to wonder if certain players have figured out how to game the connection stuff. I definitely didn't actually drop my connection and it's happened 4 or 5 times. I have to open it up on my phone and enter the game id as fast as possible to not lose time and it can end up causing me to lose in tight games where time is getting low. It really sucks when you lose a game because the website claims you dropped your connection when you didn't, especially when you're playing a really good game against a higher rated opponent.

Why is it, that anytime someone claims to be hacked, lagged, poor connection, etc. Its always during a "crushing" win? Its never during a loss.

Because who cares if you lose your connection when you're losing? I'm not going to complain that chess.com drops my connections when I'm in a totally losing endgame being crushed by my opponent lol.

That'd be like complaining about the meal service while your plane is crashing.

So losing your connection is ok when its a win, but its not ok when its a loss?

That's the exact opposite of what I said. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume my communication skills could use work lol.

Yo get what im saying. No one complains about a poor connection when the result is a win.

kthprog

Jun 13, 2019

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#24

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

I noticed that sometimes when I'm winning handily my connection will suddenly drop even though my internet is fine, and I'm starting to wonder if certain players have figured out how to game the connection stuff. I definitely didn't actually drop my connection and it's happened 4 or 5 times. I have to open it up on my phone and enter the game id as fast as possible to not lose time and it can end up causing me to lose in tight games where time is getting low. It really sucks when you lose a game because the website claims you dropped your connection when you didn't, especially when you're playing a really good game against a higher rated opponent.

Why is it, that anytime someone claims to be hacked, lagged, poor connection, etc. Its always during a "crushing" win? Its never during a loss.

Because who cares if you lose your connection when you're losing? I'm not going to complain that chess.com drops my connections when I'm in a totally losing endgame being crushed by my opponent lol.

That'd be like complaining about the meal service while your plane is crashing.

So losing your connection is ok when its a win, but its not ok when its a loss?

That's the exact opposite of what I said. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume my communication skills could use work lol.

Yo get what im saying. No one complains about a poor connection when the result is a win.

That's exactly what brought me here though. The result wasn't a win, but I was up a piece with very few pieces left on the board and I blundered because the connection suddenly went out and I had no time left. So in essence, I'm complaining about a game I was completely winning against a stronger player. It really sucks missing out on that kind of pointage lol.

The guy was also enough of an a-hole point-fiend that he wouldn't take a draw when he was clearly losing and I explained the issue to him but I can't control the people I play against lol.

MGleason

Jun 13, 2019

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#25

xman720 wrote:

I should know.... I'm one of them. Most of my code is just copy/pasted stack overflow instead of proper logical instructions to complete the task.

Also it's really not possible in theory unless chess.com has a vulnerability, and 99% of vulnerabilities are caused by criminally negligent programming practices.

Also holy crap what's with all this misinformation about trying to find banking information or corporate information on chess.com. A website is essentially a poster, the chess.com company does not upload its financial information onto chess.com. Someone getting admin access to the website would just be able to spam the forums or change the rules of chess or something. Basically, look at what you can do by pressing F12. Someone who has root access to a website can do any of that except for real. There's nothing more there. Websites containing sensitive information would be horrible design.

Trying to find banking/corporate information - that's what someone would be looking for if they were able to compromise chess.com's network; it would really depend on what parts of the network they had access to. But even if all they had was the live server, that would give them the ability to do a lot more than cheat in a few games.

Caesar49bc

Jun 13, 2019

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#26

That problem happens on Lichess, where a connection is dropped, but instead of waiting, and giving you the option to win or draw the game, or you can just waiting till the internet connects back, instead the entire game is dropped like it never existed. But is so rare, it has to be some server glitch rather than something the opponent did.

IMKeto

Jun 13, 2019

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#27

Caesar49bc wrote:

That problem happens on Lichess, where a connection is dropped, but instead of waiting, and giving you the option to win or draw the game, or you can just waiting till the internet connects back, instead the entire game is dropped like it never existed. But is so rare, it has to be some server glitch rather than something the opponent did.

Just my small .02 worth. I have NEVER had a network issue on lichess.

Caesar49bc

Jun 13, 2019

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#28

IMBacon wrote:

Caesar49bc wrote:

That problem happens on Lichess, where a connection is dropped, but instead of waiting, and giving you the option to win or draw the game, or you can just waiting till the internet connects back, instead the entire game is dropped like it never existed. But is so rare, it has to be some server glitch rather than something the opponent did.

Just my small .02 worth. I have NEVER had a network issue on lichess.

It's only happed to me twice in two years. I only started using Lichess a couple years ago. Once a year for an issue like that is more than acceptable.

MGleason

Jun 13, 2019

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#29

I've never had a network issue on chess.com except when I knew the problem was on my end.

IMKeto

Jun 13, 2019

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#30

MGleason wrote:

I've never had a network issue on chess.com except when I knew the problem was on my end.

My comment about the other site was not a knock on chess.com. I only play Daily chess here now, but in the 10+ years i have been here. I can count the number of "network issues" i have had on one hand.

Its a subject that has been way over blown, and out of proportion.

Monie49

Jun 13, 2019

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#31

Dude, it’s your phone.

thateternalentity

Jun 13, 2019

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#32

Real problem.

kthprog

Jun 13, 2019

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#33

Monie49 wrote:

Dude, it’s your phone.

This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection (other than apparently here). It's actually never occurred in the app.

IMKeto

Jun 13, 2019

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#34

kthprog wrote:

Monie49 wrote:

Dude, it’s your phone.

This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection (other than apparently here). It's actually never occurred in the app.

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

You have no idea what you are talking about. Your internet connection drops many, many times a day, that you don't even notice.

kthprog

Jun 13, 2019

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#35

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

Monie49 wrote:

Dude, it’s your phone.

This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection (other than apparently here). It's actually never occurred in the app.

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

You have no idea what you are talking about. Your internet connection drops many, many times a day, that you don't even notice.

Lol I promise you I know more of what I'm talking about than you would. Since there's no literal thing as a "connection" on the internet, my laptop does not fail to resolve a DNS address due to a lack of ability to communicate with DNS servers. If it happens, it's not happening in my view, and presumably their web sockets logic would be smart enough to attempt reconnection in those cases. Now if we're talking dropping packets then maybe that happens, but I don't think WebSockets works at a layer low enough for that to interrupt the abstract "connection" that the chess.com server checks. But if you wanna argue technical details we can get to the point of having TCP packet logs on this thread, or you can just take my word that my internet connection is good and has never dropped in any noticeable manner.

My ISP has a networking building a mile down the street I live on and I pay for their best non-commercial internet. I'm literally the last person that should ever have a connection drop on this website. If it's not someone manipulating the servers, it's chess.com.

Caesar49bc

Jun 13, 2019

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#36

kthprog wrote:

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

Monie49 wrote:

Dude, it’s your phone.

This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection (other than apparently here). It's actually never occurred in the app.

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

You have no idea what you are talking about. Your internet connection drops many, many times a day, that you don't even notice.

Lol I promise you I know more of what I'm talking about than you would. Since there's no literal thing as a "connection" on the internet, my laptop does not fail to resolve a DNS address due to a lack of ability to communicate with DNS servers. If it happens, it's not happening in my view, and presumably their web sockets logic would be smart enough to attempt reconnection in those cases. Now if we're talking dropping packets then maybe that happens, but I don't think WebSockets works at a layer low enough for that to interrupt the abstract "connection" that the chess.com server checks. But if you wanna argue technical details we can get to the point of having TCP packet logs on this thread, or you can just take my word that my internet connection is good and has never dropped in any noticeable manner.

My ISP has a networking building a mile down the street I live on and I pay for their best non-commercial internet. I'm literally the last person that should ever have a connection drop on this website. If it's not someone manipulating the servers, it's chess.com.

By all means, post your TCP logs.

IMKeto

Jun 13, 2019

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#37

kthprog wrote:

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

Monie49 wrote:

Dude, it’s your phone.

This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection (other than apparently here). It's actually never occurred in the app.

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

You have no idea what you are talking about. Your internet connection drops many, many times a day, that you don't even notice.

Lol I promise you I know more of what I'm talking about than you would. Since there's no literal thing as a "connection" on the internet, my laptop does not fail to resolve a DNS address due to a lack of ability to communicate with DNS servers. If it happens, it's not happening in my view, and presumably their web sockets logic would be smart enough to attempt reconnection in those cases. Now if we're talking dropping packets then maybe that happens, but I don't think WebSockets works at a layer low enough for that to interrupt the abstract "connection" that the chess.com server checks. But if you wanna argue technical details we can get to the point of having TCP packet logs on this thread, or you can just take my word that my internet connection is good and has never dropped in any noticeable manner.

My ISP has a networking building a mile down the street I live on and I pay for their best non-commercial internet. I'm literally the last person that should ever have a connection drop on this website. If it's not someone manipulating the servers, it's chess.com.

You can use all the fancy words you want. But when you post this:

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

Like i said. You do not know what you are talking about,

kthprog

Jun 13, 2019

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#38

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

IMBacon wrote:

kthprog wrote:

Monie49 wrote:

Dude, it’s your phone.

This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection (other than apparently here). It's actually never occurred in the app.

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

You have no idea what you are talking about. Your internet connection drops many, many times a day, that you don't even notice.

Lol I promise you I know more of what I'm talking about than you would. Since there's no literal thing as a "connection" on the internet, my laptop does not fail to resolve a DNS address due to a lack of ability to communicate with DNS servers. If it happens, it's not happening in my view, and presumably their web sockets logic would be smart enough to attempt reconnection in those cases. Now if we're talking dropping packets then maybe that happens, but I don't think WebSockets works at a layer low enough for that to interrupt the abstract "connection" that the chess.com server checks. But if you wanna argue technical details we can get to the point of having TCP packet logs on this thread, or you can just take my word that my internet connection is good and has never dropped in any noticeable manner.

My ISP has a networking building a mile down the street I live on and I pay for their best non-commercial internet. I'm literally the last person that should ever have a connection drop on this website. If it's not someone manipulating the servers, it's chess.com.

You can use all the fancy words you want. But when you post this:

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

Like i said. You do not know what you are talking about,

Yeah or you're just overconfident due to your ignorance. It would be like me telling you that you know nothing about chess, and saying you can use all these fancy terms like tactics and in between moves, but Im sure you dont know what youre talking about. Anyways you can think what you want im not going to educate you on internet protocols and communication layers just to prove im right anymore than youd sit and educate me on chess.

Caesar49bc

Jun 13, 2019

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#39

There is no real answer to your question. Dropped packets happen. The hardware is designed to resend packets, to a point anyway.

Lost packets expire after so many hops, so that the internet doesn't grind to a halt with lost packets floating around the internet for the rest of eternity.

Caesar49bc

Jun 13, 2019

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#40

As far as using duel wifi, it takes some handshaking to switch from one IP address to another, so your game could time out before it can finish the transfer.

I sometimes switch from satallite to 4G, and it's 50/50 if it can be done fast enough for the game to continue.

Not entirely sure about a wifi to wifi switch.