Trick to drop opponent's connection?

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xman720 wrote:

I should know.... I'm one of them. Most of my code is just copy/pasted stack overflow instead of proper logical instructions to complete the task.

 

Also it's really not possible in theory unless chess.com has a vulnerability, and 99% of vulnerabilities are caused by criminally negligent programming practices. 

Also holy crap what's with all this misinformation about trying to find banking information or corporate information on chess.com. A website is essentially a poster, the chess.com company does not upload its financial information onto chess.com. Someone getting admin access to the website would just be able to spam the forums or change the rules of chess or something. Basically, look at what you can do by pressing F12. Someone who has root access to a website can do any of that except for real. There's nothing more there. Websites containing sensitive information would be horrible design.

It would be horrible design, but it's perfectly easy for most sites to get away with horrible design because of how few people are software developers, specifically in the web discipline.

Here's something interesting. Try entering https://api.chess.com/int/player/optimissed/notices into your browser. Yeah, you can see the notifications for another player. Who's to say there aren't other exposed API calls that simply escaped the developers, or that the developers were simply lazy about and left exposed?

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kthprog wrote:

I noticed that sometimes when I'm winning handily my connection will suddenly drop even though my internet is fine, and I'm starting to wonder if certain players have figured out how to game the connection stuff. I definitely didn't actually drop my connection and it's happened 4 or 5 times. I have to open it up on my phone and enter the game id as fast as possible to not lose time and it can end up causing me to lose in tight games where time is getting low. It really sucks when you lose a game because the website claims you dropped your connection when you didn't, especially when you're playing a really good game against a higher rated opponent.

Why is it, that anytime someone claims to be hacked, lagged, poor connection, etc.  Its always during a "crushing" win?  Its never during a loss.

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IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:

I noticed that sometimes when I'm winning handily my connection will suddenly drop even though my internet is fine, and I'm starting to wonder if certain players have figured out how to game the connection stuff. I definitely didn't actually drop my connection and it's happened 4 or 5 times. I have to open it up on my phone and enter the game id as fast as possible to not lose time and it can end up causing me to lose in tight games where time is getting low. It really sucks when you lose a game because the website claims you dropped your connection when you didn't, especially when you're playing a really good game against a higher rated opponent.

Why is it, that anytime someone claims to be hacked, lagged, poor connection, etc.  Its always during a "crushing" win?  Its never during a loss.

Because who cares if you lose your connection when you're losing? I'm not going to complain that chess.com drops my connections when I'm in a totally losing endgame being crushed by my opponent lol.

That'd be like complaining about the meal service while your plane is crashing.

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kthprog wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:

I noticed that sometimes when I'm winning handily my connection will suddenly drop even though my internet is fine, and I'm starting to wonder if certain players have figured out how to game the connection stuff. I definitely didn't actually drop my connection and it's happened 4 or 5 times. I have to open it up on my phone and enter the game id as fast as possible to not lose time and it can end up causing me to lose in tight games where time is getting low. It really sucks when you lose a game because the website claims you dropped your connection when you didn't, especially when you're playing a really good game against a higher rated opponent.

Why is it, that anytime someone claims to be hacked, lagged, poor connection, etc.  Its always during a "crushing" win?  Its never during a loss.

Because who cares if you lose your connection when you're losing? I'm not going to complain that chess.com drops my connections when I'm in a totally losing endgame being crushed by my opponent lol.

That'd be like complaining about the meal service while your plane is crashing.

So losing your connection is ok when its a win, but its not ok when its a loss?

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IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:

I noticed that sometimes when I'm winning handily my connection will suddenly drop even though my internet is fine, and I'm starting to wonder if certain players have figured out how to game the connection stuff. I definitely didn't actually drop my connection and it's happened 4 or 5 times. I have to open it up on my phone and enter the game id as fast as possible to not lose time and it can end up causing me to lose in tight games where time is getting low. It really sucks when you lose a game because the website claims you dropped your connection when you didn't, especially when you're playing a really good game against a higher rated opponent.

Why is it, that anytime someone claims to be hacked, lagged, poor connection, etc.  Its always during a "crushing" win?  Its never during a loss.

Because who cares if you lose your connection when you're losing? I'm not going to complain that chess.com drops my connections when I'm in a totally losing endgame being crushed by my opponent lol.

That'd be like complaining about the meal service while your plane is crashing.

So losing your connection is ok when its a win, but its not ok when its a loss?

That's the exact opposite of what I said. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume my communication skills could use work lol.

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kthprog wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:

I noticed that sometimes when I'm winning handily my connection will suddenly drop even though my internet is fine, and I'm starting to wonder if certain players have figured out how to game the connection stuff. I definitely didn't actually drop my connection and it's happened 4 or 5 times. I have to open it up on my phone and enter the game id as fast as possible to not lose time and it can end up causing me to lose in tight games where time is getting low. It really sucks when you lose a game because the website claims you dropped your connection when you didn't, especially when you're playing a really good game against a higher rated opponent.

Why is it, that anytime someone claims to be hacked, lagged, poor connection, etc.  Its always during a "crushing" win?  Its never during a loss.

Because who cares if you lose your connection when you're losing? I'm not going to complain that chess.com drops my connections when I'm in a totally losing endgame being crushed by my opponent lol.

That'd be like complaining about the meal service while your plane is crashing.

So losing your connection is ok when its a win, but its not ok when its a loss?

That's the exact opposite of what I said. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume my communication skills could use work lol.

Yo get what im saying.  No one complains about a poor connection when the result is a win. 

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IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:

I noticed that sometimes when I'm winning handily my connection will suddenly drop even though my internet is fine, and I'm starting to wonder if certain players have figured out how to game the connection stuff. I definitely didn't actually drop my connection and it's happened 4 or 5 times. I have to open it up on my phone and enter the game id as fast as possible to not lose time and it can end up causing me to lose in tight games where time is getting low. It really sucks when you lose a game because the website claims you dropped your connection when you didn't, especially when you're playing a really good game against a higher rated opponent.

Why is it, that anytime someone claims to be hacked, lagged, poor connection, etc.  Its always during a "crushing" win?  Its never during a loss.

Because who cares if you lose your connection when you're losing? I'm not going to complain that chess.com drops my connections when I'm in a totally losing endgame being crushed by my opponent lol.

That'd be like complaining about the meal service while your plane is crashing.

So losing your connection is ok when its a win, but its not ok when its a loss?

That's the exact opposite of what I said. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume my communication skills could use work lol.

Yo get what im saying.  No one complains about a poor connection when the result is a win. 

That's exactly what brought me here though. The result wasn't a win, but I was up a piece with very few pieces left on the board and I blundered because the connection suddenly went out and I had no time left. So in essence, I'm complaining about a game I was completely winning against a stronger player. It really sucks missing out on that kind of pointage lol.

The guy was also enough of an a-hole point-fiend that he wouldn't take a draw when he was clearly losing and I explained the issue to him but I can't control the people I play against lol.

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xman720 wrote:

I should know.... I'm one of them. Most of my code is just copy/pasted stack overflow instead of proper logical instructions to complete the task.

 

Also it's really not possible in theory unless chess.com has a vulnerability, and 99% of vulnerabilities are caused by criminally negligent programming practices. 

Also holy crap what's with all this misinformation about trying to find banking information or corporate information on chess.com. A website is essentially a poster, the chess.com company does not upload its financial information onto chess.com. Someone getting admin access to the website would just be able to spam the forums or change the rules of chess or something. Basically, look at what you can do by pressing F12. Someone who has root access to a website can do any of that except for real. There's nothing more there. Websites containing sensitive information would be horrible design.

Trying to find banking/corporate information - that's what someone would be looking for if they were able to compromise chess.com's network; it would really depend on what parts of the network they had access to.  But even if all they had was the live server, that would give them the ability to do a lot more than cheat in a few games.

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Martin_Stahl wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Incidentally, I've just been thinking about this question for another 30 seconds and I've realised that at least hypothetically, the O.P. could potentially be correct. I'm not a computer engineer or software programmer and I emphasise that this is hypothetical. However it occurred to me that it wouldn't take much code for a chess player to write a programme that discovered the address of the computer used by an opponent. Then, all he would need to do is to bombard that particular computer with some kind of input that would take over its processing capability, but it would not be a virus in that it would not embed itself in the target computer software.

 

If they sent you a link to a device they control and you click the link they could get your IP. With the site server acting as a connection router, they would have to compromise the site to get your connection details. As @mariners234 says, it probably isn't impossible, but the likelihood someone has done that to win a few online games is extremely low.>>

I disagree, for the reason that software development .... particularly "indie development" is like the Himalayas all over again. It would be the joy of the hunt. Back in 81, I was on a yacht sailing round Alcatraz, at a party hosted by Steve Jobs. Wosniak was there too and while the rest were below in the cabin, having a party and getting drunk, I was having a smoke with the two of them on deck. I learned the story of the Phone Phreaks and how they did it, just because it was there. Do not underestimate the "because it's there factor"!!!!!

 

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That problem happens on Lichess, where a connection is dropped, but instead of waiting, and giving you the option to win or draw the game, or you can just waiting till the internet connects back, instead the entire game is dropped like it never existed. But is so rare, it has to be some server glitch rather than something the opponent did.

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Caesar49bc wrote:

That problem happens on Lichess, where a connection is dropped, but instead of waiting, and giving you the option to win or draw the game, or you can just waiting till the internet connects back, instead the entire game is dropped like it never existed. But is so rare, it has to be some server glitch rather than something the opponent did.

Just my small .02 worth. I have NEVER had a network issue on lichess.

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IMBacon wrote:
Caesar49bc wrote:

That problem happens on Lichess, where a connection is dropped, but instead of waiting, and giving you the option to win or draw the game, or you can just waiting till the internet connects back, instead the entire game is dropped like it never existed. But is so rare, it has to be some server glitch rather than something the opponent did.

Just my small .02 worth. I have NEVER had a network issue on lichess.

It's only happed to me twice in two years. I only started using Lichess a couple years ago. Once a year for an issue like that is more than acceptable.

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I've never had a network issue on chess.com except when I knew the problem was on my end.

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MGleason wrote:

I've never had a network issue on chess.com except when I knew the problem was on my end.

My comment about the other site was not a knock on chess.com.  I only play Daily chess here now, but in the 10+ years i have been here.  I can count the number of "network issues" i have had on one hand.

Its a subject that has been way over blown, and out of proportion.

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Dude, it’s your phone.
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Real problem.

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Monie49 wrote:
Dude, it’s your phone.

This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection (other than apparently here). It's actually never occurred in the app.

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kthprog wrote:
Monie49 wrote:
Dude, it’s your phone.

This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection (other than apparently here). It's actually never occurred in the app.

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

You have no idea what you are talking about.  Your internet connection drops many, many times a day, that you don't even notice.

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IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:
Monie49 wrote:
Dude, it’s your phone.

This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection (other than apparently here). It's actually never occurred in the app.

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

You have no idea what you are talking about.  Your internet connection drops many, many times a day, that you don't even notice.

Lol I promise you I know more of what I'm talking about than you would. Since there's no literal thing as a "connection" on the internet, my laptop does not fail to resolve a DNS address due to a lack of ability to communicate with DNS servers. If it happens, it's not happening in my view, and presumably their web sockets logic would be smart enough to attempt reconnection in those cases. Now if we're talking dropping packets then maybe that happens, but I don't think WebSockets works at a layer low enough for that to interrupt the abstract "connection" that the chess.com server checks. But if you wanna argue technical details we can get to the point of having TCP packet logs on this thread, or you can just take my word that my internet connection is good and has never dropped in any noticeable manner.

My ISP has a networking building a mile down the street I live on and I pay for their best non-commercial internet. I'm literally the last person that should ever have a connection drop on this website. If it's not someone manipulating the servers, it's chess.com.

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kthprog wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
kthprog wrote:
Monie49 wrote:
Dude, it’s your phone.

This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection (other than apparently here). It's actually never occurred in the app.

"This is on my laptop which has never dropped the internet connection..."

You have no idea what you are talking about.  Your internet connection drops many, many times a day, that you don't even notice.

Lol I promise you I know more of what I'm talking about than you would. Since there's no literal thing as a "connection" on the internet, my laptop does not fail to resolve a DNS address due to a lack of ability to communicate with DNS servers. If it happens, it's not happening in my view, and presumably their web sockets logic would be smart enough to attempt reconnection in those cases. Now if we're talking dropping packets then maybe that happens, but I don't think WebSockets works at a layer low enough for that to interrupt the abstract "connection" that the chess.com server checks. But if you wanna argue technical details we can get to the point of having TCP packet logs on this thread, or you can just take my word that my internet connection is good and has never dropped in any noticeable manner.

My ISP has a networking building a mile down the street I live on and I pay for their best non-commercial internet. I'm literally the last person that should ever have a connection drop on this website. If it's not someone manipulating the servers, it's chess.com.

By all means, post your TCP logs.

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