Trick to drop opponent's connection?

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Martin_Stahl
Koala6 wrote:

I wonder why some players make such comments defending the site and being rather unsympathetic to the fact that happens to many, yet they defend the system and argue as if one who has experienced this is just making a false observation. I wonder if they are actual players or planted site defenders?  or maybe the ones who know how this takes place! lol Any how I think there a bit more than coincidences specially when it only happens when one is winning and never when one is losing!

 

I've lost a couple of games due to abandonment when my connection or device was acting sketchy. I've had a number of games where I was certain I had disconnected, even though the client didn't reflect that, so I refreshed. None of those were caused by my opponents.

edit: actually, only lost one game by abandonment ....

MGleason

If this was a widespread thing - and it would have to be for you to be running into it regularly - there would be people bragging online about doing it, posting videos of themselves doing it, and documenting how they do it.

You can find all of that with a simple Google search for videos of people using an engine, or hacking in online video games.

But you can't find a video or a credible claim of a disconnect hack in online chess.  It just doesn't exist.

There is no army of super hackers that somehow can all take control of the chess.com live server and somehow see nothing more to be gained by that control than winning a small handful of games they would otherwise have lost.

Koala6

Your comment is negatively charges and false. I have never abandoned games ever but opponents have abandoned games which that too needs to be addressed. Why would you make such untrue and false claim that I have 9 games lost by abandonments? who are you working for Martin_stahl, to make such false claim? Are you trying to exonerate the system? What is your motivation for such false claim? looks to me such accusation needs to have a motivation, what is your motivation? this is an unfortunate fact that is happening to people and why are you trying to turn it around and make false claims on legitimate unfortunate happenings and work towards finding solution by sharing such experiences so the site will do something about it. This is disrespectful to people like me when such claims are extended so flagrantly.

Martin_Stahl
Koala6 wrote:

Your comment is negatively charges and false. I have never abandoned games ever but opponents have abandoned games which that too needs to be addressed. Why would you make such untrue and false claim that I have 9 games lost by abandonments? who are you working for Martin_stahl, to make such false claim? Are you trying to exonerate the system? What is your motivation for such false claim? looks to me such accusation needs to have a motivation, what is your motivation? this is an unfortunate fact that is happening to people and why are you trying to turn it around and make false claims on legitimate unfortunate happenings and work towards finding solution by sharing such experiences so the site will do something about it. This is disrespectful to people like me when such claims are extended so flagrantly.

 

If someone was able to disconnect you, your loss would have been by abandonment. You only have 9 of those.

On the games lost, 2 you were clearly winning, 4 you were still in the opening, 2 were completely lost and one appears to be fairly even (without digging into analysis too deeply: edit in that last one you were lost as well.

MGleason
Koala6 wrote:

Your comment is negatively charges and false. I have never abandoned games ever but opponents have abandoned games which that too needs to be addressed. Why would you make such untrue and false claim that I have 9 games lost by abandonments? who are you working for Martin_stahl, to make such false claim? Are you trying to exonerate the system? What is your motivation for such false claim? looks to me such accusation needs to have a motivation, what is your motivation? this is an unfortunate fact that is happening to people and why are you trying to turn it around and make false claims on legitimate unfortunate happenings and work towards finding solution by sharing such experiences so the site will do something about it. This is disrespectful to people like me when such claims are extended so flagrantly.

When you disconnect, it looks to the server like you abandoned the game.  It's not a moral judgement about the reason you abandoned the game, it's simply saying that you left the game for whatever reason.

The server can't tell the difference between you losing your connection due to an internet glitch, your phone battery dying, or you simply deciding you're bored with the game and just reports them all as abandoned.

By pointing out the abandoned games, @Martin_Stahl is identifying the games that you lost by abandonment - i.e. the games that could have been lost due to a disconnection.  There are exactly nine of them out of your >600 games.

Martin_Stahl

And my claims aren't false. While I am a moderator here, that doesn't impact the facts or how I present them. The only claim I'm making is that your opponents are causing disconnects, which what this topic was about.

Koala6

none of those are abandoned by me, it is abandoned by the opponent not me and the system quickly informed me that they will notify the player who abandoned the game if they continue, so why would you claim I abandoned them. What is your motivation for such negative  and false conclusions?

Koala6

you are accusing me of having abandoned these games but these are false and now you are saying that you are a moderator which explains why you are trying to twist the facts and argue with me while what I am saying is fact as it has happened to me often and yet you are falsely claiming that I have abandoned games which is unfortunate  for a moderator try to steer the credible observation of a member  here. 

Martin_Stahl
Koala6 wrote:

none of those are abandoned by me, it is abandoned by the opponent not me and the system quickly informed me that they will notify the player who abandoned the game if they continue, so why would you claim I abandoned them. What is your motivation for such negative  and false conclusions?


The games were lost by you by abandonment. You have 21 games where you won when your opponent was flagged as abandoned. I didn't check all of those, but in some you were losing, but that is beside the point. People think they get disconnected and flagged as abandoned by their opponent when it is actually some other cause and it doesn't just happen when winning, as can be seen in the small sample of your games.

Martin_Stahl
Koala6 wrote:

you are accusing me of having abandoned these games but these are false and now you are saying that you are a moderator which explains why you are trying to twist the facts and argue with me while what I am saying is fact as it has happened to me often and yet you are falsely claiming that I have abandoned games which is unfortunate  for a moderator try to steer the credible observation of a member  here. 

 

There are no facts to twist. The facts are true whether or not you believe them

MGleason

@Koala6 - you're still misunderstanding.  @Martin_Stahl is not saying you intentionally abandoned games.

If you are disconnected for any reason and lose the game as a result, it is logged as "game abandoned".

You have lost exactly nine games that way.  This does not necessarily mean you intended to abandon those games.  It simply means that, for whatever reason, your connection to the server was broken during those games.  The server has no idea why that connection was broken.

"Game abandoned" does not mean you intentionally abandoned a game.  It could simply mean you lost your connection.  Or maybe it means your phone battery died mid-game.

Koala6

 As a moderator you are supposed to help find a solution but you are too busy to defend the system while this is not accusing the system but the people who may be manipulating it so why are you so defensive to the tune of accusing me and ally claiming things that are untrue  hoping to smear the credibility of my discussion and this is immature and unfortunate as you are not helping but accusing a player which is not professional or effective in such event and making the site a better site.

Koala6

A moderator must be able to positively communicate the points (technical or not) he or she wants to make not to cause misunderstanding and accusing a commentator about the concern. So you must know how to word your sentences to mean what it should rather than meaning something which is negative reflection of the point being discussed.

Martin_Stahl
Koala6 wrote:

 As a moderator you are supposed to help find a solution but you are too busy to defend the system while this is not accusing the system but the people who may be manipulating it so why are you so defensive to the tune of accusing me and ally claiming things that are untrue  hoping to smear the credibility of my discussion and this is immature and unfortunate as you are not helping but accusing a player which is not professional or effective in such event and making the site a better site.

 

You mean like where I posted here on the first page in the topic? https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/trick-to-drop-opponents-connection?page=1#comment-42675620

 

There is a whole discussion here and I was just addressing one point in my more recent posts. While there are some things that you can do on your end to minimize potential disconnections, the simple fact is that your opponents never directly connect to your client so couldn't impact your connection if they wanted to; unless they completely hack into the live server process and if they have that kind of access, they'll be doing more than disconnecting a few of their opponents.

MGleason

@Koala6: nobody is accusing you of anything, and if you think we are you need to go back and re-read our comments to see what we actually said.  There seems to be a significant disconnect between what we're intending to say and what you seem to be understanding us to say.

Koala6

well it seems this is not a forum to make comments as looks like it has goalies and defenders to fend off any concern and shut people off, this is discouraging and unbecoming of a international chess playing platform. Have a nice day I guess I should not have thought this is a place to discuss anything too sensitive to defend the site rather than wanting to make it better. Perhaps you will experience what many others have and then you will have a better idea what concern is being expressed here and why. The motivations in this discussion are different!

congrandolor

Koala6, you abandoned 9 games, what a shame!cry.png

ninja888

I have only lost 2 games due to abandonment (aka some form of disconnection), both back in 2014. This has never happened again in the 6 other years that have been on this site. As long as you have a strong connection to the cc live servers, there is a improbable chance to lose by disconnecting.

Martin_Stahl

I play a lot on my phone's mobile browser and rarely have connection issues and have only experienced a few games (out of a measly 1,400 games). Disconnects do happen, never have claimed they don't, just that it is not do to other players (other than maybe really high server loads in recent times )

ninja888

Your 9 games that you lost by disconnecting:

2 games you had the chance to win

5 games that were equal

2 games you were losing 

What makes you think that you only lose by disconnecting in winning positions?

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