True or False Chess is a Draw with Best Play from Both Sides
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False because they might have both great but different strategies but if they using the same strategy they might have a draw or maybe someone is just change their mind or something
Patriot your misquotes were trying to make it look like I thought any one of my pieces of evidence proves chess is a draw. I never said this at all. Never implied that either.
Also as mentioned I have given evidence other than the two things you mentioned and you are wither ignoring that evidence or did not read that evidence.
Yes, you have your own opinion and that is fine--just please stop misquoting me. Also please look at all the evidence I have presented--not just two pieces of evidence.
Jim. What's the best play on move 1 for white?
ponz111 wrote:
Patriot your misquotes were trying to make it look like I thought any one of my pieces of evidence proves chess is a draw. I never said this at all. Never implied that either.
Also as mentioned I have given evidence other than the two things you mentioned and you are wither ignoring that evidence or did not read that evidence.
Yes, you have your own opinion and that is fine--just please stop misquoting me. Also please look at all the evidence I have presented--not just two pieces of evidence.
Well I apologize if I misquoted you. But honestly I dont see where I did. I might have misspelled something or left out a word or something, but where did I misquote you? You DID say "ton" of evidence. That is an accurate quote.
I have not seen any of your evidence that is not related to the two reasons you keep posting. If there is more, I will read it. How about instead of just saying you have it, just say what it is.
I dunno
Crispy2BA wrote:
Jim. What's the best play on move 1 for white?
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
You think whether I can tell you the best move changes the definition of the word best!
PATRIOT AS i HAVE ALREADY SHOWED YOU--YOUR MISQUOTES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORD "TON" sorry for caps. Please read forum 3070 where I explained the misquotes. Read my sentence starting with "I never once said" Then read my sentence which starts with "Also it is not true"
You still only see 2 pieces of evidence?? Here is another piece of evidence--In all the trillions of chess games played there had never been even one game shown where either Black or White won without the other side making an error.
ponz111 wrote:
You still only see 2 pieces of evidence?? Here is another piece of evidence--In all the trillions of chess games played there had never been even one game shown where either Black or White won without the other side making an error.
Patently not evidence. Just because you can't falsify something doesn't mean it's true.
ponz111 wrote:
PATRIOT AS i HAVE ALREADY SHOWED YOU--YOUR MISQUOTES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORD "TON" sorry for caps. Please read forum 3070 where I explained the misquotes. Read my sentence starting with "I never once said" Then read my sentence which starts with "Also it is not true"
You still only see 2 pieces of evidence?? Here is another piece of evidence--In all the trillions of chess games played there had never been even one game shown where either Black or White won without the other side making an error.
A misquote is where someone quotes you wrong. Just because you said "I never said" doesn't mean I misquoted you. I put the word ton in quotes, because I quoted you. I know you have your beliefs, based on your evidence. And yes, I still have only seen the 2 things you keep posting. Your last sentence is obviously not evidence.
EnergeticHay wrote:
False - there is no such thing as "best play"
Leave it to a NM to come and add nothing. This doesn't even make sense.
Okay, so there's no such thing is best play... how does that mean there's a forced win for white/black. Never mind that best play obviously exists in every perfect information, turn-based game.
PATRIOT When a piece of evidence is staring you in your face --you say it is not evidence--so that may be why you think only 2 evidences have been posted in these columns.
Of course the fact I stated is some evidence that chess is a draw. Maybe you don't understand that it is some evidence?
GMprop what you say is true but after you pull trillions of marbles out of the the box and all are black--it is at least an indication that in fact all the marbles in the box are black. Of course it is not absolute truth as we can hardly say anything is absolutely true.
When someone says there is no such thing as best play--unless that person defines "best play" his/her statement has no clear meaning. .
ponz111 wrote:
GMprop what you say is true but after you pull trillions of marbles out of the the box and all are black--it is at least an indication that in fact all the marbles in the box are black. Of course it is not absolute truth as we can hardly say anything is absolutely true.
How many marbles are there?
GMproposedsolutions wrote:
Jim, it's a huge huge bag...it fills my entire backyard.
lol a bit bigger
I can’t remember what game it was. I think it was a game by Fischer, which he won, but nobody can figure out what mistake his opponent made. His opponent played all good seeming moves, but just lost
GMproposedsolutions wrote:
Mako_Cat wrote:
I can’t remember what game it was. I think it was a game by Fischer, which he won, but nobody can figure out what mistake his opponent made. His opponent played all good seeming moves, but just lost
And for which it would indicate maybe, just maybe, there is a forced win. I hope Fischer was playing with white pieces otherwise we'll have a conundrum here!
I agree. It's possible that one side does not make a mistake, but the other side still wins. I dont think it would be black, but that too is possible. I think it's pretty unlikely a game like that has already been played but maybe someone, somewhere, has played a forced win game.
Mako, sorry but in the game won by Fischer--his opponent made at least one mistake and it can be determined. Maybe the vast majority of players are not strong enough to find the mistake--but it can be done.
PATRIOT If someone ever played a game which was a forced win from the start of the game--For sure he would publish that game and for sure he would enter tournaments and he would turn correspondence chess upside down--but it has never happened. And I am 990.9999% sure it will never happen.
Heck there is a chance that on earth all the trees will be uprooted and ascend to the height of 100,000 feet but I am 99.9999% sure that will never happen also.