Try to beat an engine as white without the engine's b8 knight

@Goldendog: it depends on the player's strength. From wikipedia on handicaps:

Rating equivalent [edit]

Grandmaster Larry Kaufman wrote the following about the Elo rating equivalence of giving knight odds:^[62]

[T]he Elo equivalent of a given handicap degrades as you go down the scale. A knight seems to be worth around a thousand points when the "weak" player is around IM level, but it drops as you go down. For example, I'm about 2400 and I've played tons of knight odds games with students, and I would put the break-even point (for untimed but reasonably quick games) with me at around 1800, so maybe a 600 value at this level. An 1800 can probably give knight odds to a 1400, a 1400 to an 1100, an 1100 to a 900, etc. This is pretty obviously the way it must work, because the weaker the players are, the more likely the weaker one is to blunder a piece or more. When you get down to the level of the average 8 year old player, knight odds is just a slight edge, maybe 50 points or so.

Yes, as I said.

sry our post sort of crossed. It took my some time to find the wikipedia article and meanwhile yours and Bolan's posts where posted.

yeah, I'm like 1998 USCF so I could do it.

The challenge now...to beat the engine without its f pawn. Probably only Natalia_Pogonina could do that.

How about this position playing as black?

What's the point?