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moemen13
Caliphigia wrote:

Iheard about it, but it's used only among  the weakest players; those who play on a bench in a park and never use clocks. When I ocassionally encounter it as black the game goes something like this: 1. e4 and d4, 1...Nf6 and Nxe4. It probably has to do with the custom from shatranj (persian/arabian chess, IX-XV century), when the pieces were slower and it took a lot of time to develop them, to start the game from prearanged simethrical position, so called tabia.


  Actually, I have seen that a lot when I was kid.... And even played it!!

  I had to play it versus an old nice lady, fan of chess.... she used to sit down in the club with her pieces on the board, whoever wants to join her, it was okay, but you have to accept thiis rule.... Both players can move two pawns in the first move, but if so, only to square 3 or 6 .... she usually started with b3&g3 together !!

And I think it is back to Shatranja (Old name for chess variant in Persian) and by the way it is the same way we call chess in Arabic, until now.

Gotenks-san
rmiller1985 wrote:

I recently played a game OTB with someone for the first time.  He is from India, and said he hadn't played in 15 years.

He had the white pieces, and when we started the game he moved Nc3 AND b3.  I wasn't sure if he was kidding, so I looked at him, hesitated a second, then said, "You know you can only make one move at a time, right?"  He said, "Yeah.  But two on the first move, right?"  I said no, so he moved his pawn back to b2.

Has anyone ever heard of this?  Maybe a regional thing in some part of India, or a common kid's rule? There's a chess variants article in Wikipedia, but I didn't see this.

Thanks,

Rich

It's called "Cheese"

gaoryan

I think people should properly learn the rules of chess before playing. Two moves on the first move is plain wrong. Whoever played this obviously doesn't know how to play until they actually learn the rules.

game_designer
gaoryan wrote:

I think people should properly learn the rules of chess before playing. Two moves on the first move is plain wrong. Whoever played this obviously doesn't know how to play until they actually learn the rules.

The OP said the player was from India.

 

Another person just above this post is from Egypt and he said he played with an old lady that insisted on moving 2 pawns one step each at the start of the game.

 

"Chess" is actually an ancient family of games that is at least 1,500 years old.

 

The oldest known form of chess is called Chaturanga from India.

 

In Persia they played a game called Shatranj that was based on Chaturanga.

 

I am not surprised that a person from India and a person from Egypt played like this, they are from regions of the world that played the original ancient forms of the game.

 

The version of chess that you play now only had the rules standardised in the 18th century, this means that modern chess is still relatively very young 200 or so years old.

 

It still amazes me that a lot of people that play chess do not know it's history and consider other people ignorant even though chess originated from those regions.

 

Like it or not your chess is a chess variant, in fact the original names of this chess variant when the modern queen was introduced in Europe was:

 

Queens Chess

Mad Queens Chess, and

The Enraged Lady of Chess (French)

 

That is the chess that you play today, people only started calling it chess when it replaced an older version of chess where the queen could only move one step on the diagonal.

gaoryan

Hmm. I wonder how they actually pass those games down for thousands of years. Is Chaturanga and Shatranj a tradition or what. Also, we should ask our opponents if they know the rules of European Chess, not Chaturanga or Shatranj.

Pulpofeira

"It still amazes me that a lot of people that play chess do not know it's history and consider other people ignorant even though chess originated from those regions".

Quite an assumption. Or two.

game_designer

It's a regional thing, many regions have their own versions.

 

India has 3 different versions, I think, that may still be played today, but very rare.

 

I lived in Thailand for more than 3 years and would see Thai people playing Thai Makruk every day, it is very popular, played by millions, but hardly anybody even knows that western chess exists.

 

Even in Cambodia they have their own version, slightly different from Thai Makruk.

 

Burma has it's own as well, very different, random early middle game setup.

 

You can see all of the above on wikipiedia if you are interested.

Pulpofeira

It is common knowledge, don't suffer.

game_designer
Pulpofeira wrote:

It is common knowledge, don't suffer.

Go play some theory.

YOITBELANDONSTOVALL
I played my little brother in this style. I personally think it helps with planning ahead in real games
FSTIMJP

I had the same experience in a rated tournament in Bela Crkva vs an unrated in round one, who started off with a combined e4+d4. Only after Arbiter intervention did my opponent agree he was wrong. He later played pretty ok throughout, but was no match for the already professional me.

vastzero

This is actually how I was taught to play by my father and grandfather, and my grandfather learned to play (this version) while in a German POW camp during WWII. I'd have to agree with people who link this to Eastern versions of the game.  A funny story related to this the first chess tournament I played in as kid I tried this in my first game (I was the white pieces) and the other kid looked at me like I had two heads. He promptly told me I was playing wrong and I argued that he was wrong.  We actually had to call a teacher over who told me my rules were wrong.  I went home that night and confronted my father about it who then told me "oh no you can't play like that in Canada." haha

luckbird

i like playing chess while lying done

tohoman

I was thought that rule too as a kid when playing with grandpa and older dudes. I'm from Croatia (back then Yugoslavia)

HalfSicilin

I think it's called 'Prima Nocte' or "First Knight" where you can move your N and another piece or pawn

ledendzplays

According, to the Indian-styled chess rule to move twice a time in chess is right. But in other styled chess we move once. That's the main confusion.

 yitzd no that's not because of your reason ( I think ). I am not professional.

Read this, Chess is a board game for two players, called White and Black, each controlling an army of chess pieces in their color, with the objective to checkmate the opponent's king. It is sometimes called international chess or Western chess to distinguish it from related games such as xiangqi (Chinese chess) and shogi (Japanese chess). The recorded history of chess goes back at least to the emergence of a similar game, chaturanga, in seventh-century India. The rules of chess as they are known today emerged in Europe at the end of the 15th century, with standardization and universal acceptance by the end of the 19th century.

Thanks,

Vijan