Typical beginner growth

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Jouzer

Hello, I'm sorry if this topic exists already and will appreciate the links, I just couldn't find them after several tries.

Anyhow, I just wanted some info on whats the typical chess.com rating growth curve like for an adult beginner?

I know it's shooting in the dark, but when I hear about people talking 1400's a beginner it feels sad cos even though I'm learning from my two books quite a lot and feel a lot better at chess than when I started not long ago, it feels like I'm the hugest chess dumbo ever for actually having to start to really push at rating 700 and 1400 is miles away, I know that.

Just would like to know where you started from, how long did it take you to reach say 1000 or 1200 or 1400 / how much work you put in then, I need some reference as I'm the type of person who works extra hard when I know I'm "falling behind", and have some realistic expectations.

I'm 24, played Go for lasts 6 months progressing steadily at average pace. I feel I'm your average player except I perhaps have more ambition that an average adult.

I know it's not good to worry too much about one's rating but I need to some cos' it's fuel for my engine.

Thanks fellows! :)

x-5058622868

700 to 1400 is a lot closer than you think. It's closer than say 1400 to 1700 even though the number differences doesn't show it. The higher you go up, the tougher it gets.

JGambit

I know its hard to believe but I feel like a begineer at 1500 (blitz and standard) , My games are still lost from losing to 3 ply tactic's surprisingly often.

Chess is not easy, I have no idea how anyone at a 2600 rating can beat those with a 2400 rating easily but that gives you an idea of how complex a game it is.

I remember for me getting to 1200 did not take much effort, and my obsessive nature took me to 1400 in a few months, its really not at all easy to put a good number at where you should be at a certain time.

Mikal Tal wasn't all that special for a long time and then went on to be one of the greatest geniuses of the game, of course others like fischer flew out of the gate and didnt stop. It's just hard to say where one should or shouldnt be.

x-5058622868

Oh, so you're already at 1500. Yeah, that's not much beyond the beginner stage, or some might even consider it at the upper end of the beginner stage.

As you pointed out, people progress at different rates. People also enter the chess world at different times. There isn't any specific place where you should be. With that said, i'll have to concur with kaynight and say just enjoy chess. Best wishes.

VLaurenT

1500 blitz or standard is certainly not a 'beginner'. More like a decent club player.

x-5058622868

You might be right. I think it depends on who you ask.

JamesColeman

I've coached many adults at chess and most of them in my experience seem to reach somewhere between 1400-1600 and get stuck. Probably there are many reasons for this. Firstly, the ones who are in a position to afford coaching in the first place often have quite demanding jobs/families etc and can't spare the time to really study intensively.

From a chess point of view, this is probably around the level where to progress further, the ABC stuff such as developing pieces, basic strategy etc no longer cuts it in terms of having an edge over their opponents (who know the same stuff) and other factors such as ability to calculate and think concretely, chess imagination, board vision start to come into play and separate the good from the average. Also, many players find they have become too attached to the general principles they have learn in books or whatever when in reality there are a great deal of exceptions etc.

I could say much more on this but won't. This is not a prediction on how you will fare or what rating you will get to, just some observations from my own experience. I would endorse the comments of the guy who said the focus should be on enjoying it.

JGambit

Hictnunce and Achja are beast's and Im am quite weak by comparison. Achja's game is interesting because players my level crack and blunder even mate in ones. I had no idea 1600's do too

Sunshiny hids behind a forum profile and I'd bet despite my lowly status I could wipe him off he board. 

I don't think that most people would find it hard to belive I feel like a begineer. an 800 certainly might.   

learning2mate

Your natural aptitude, time towards chess, and if you study in a proper manner will factor into how fast you improve. Now ratings, pay little attention to those. What you might find more helpful is pay attention to mastering the basics of chess, be able to know, not guess, basic chess position. Like I tell beginner players on a king and rook pawn endgame, you should be able to go to grandmaster and challenge him to promote pawn and be able to stop him. Because that is basic position everyone needs to master. You will do well in your chess, work, learn, practice, and you improve I assure you.

x-5058622868
JGambit wrote:

Sunshiny hids behind a forum profile and I'd bet despite my lowly status I could wipe him off he board. 

 

Maybe you can, and maybe you can't. Wink Anyway, i didn't mean any offense by my comment. Give it a few months to a year and reflect on how you played. I know every time i've improved, i looked back and saw how bad i've played then. Then you come to the realization that there's also so much more to learn that you don't already know, or that your skills can be better, and it'll dawn on you that there's still a whole mountain to climb.

x-5058622868
kaynight wrote:

Climb every mountain.....

Yup. Why? Because it's there.

Senator-Blutarsky

Post every thread.

Senator-Blutarsky

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tonightatsix

I don't know what your expectations are, but if they're around 1600, I think it's attainable. 

 

I started at rating zero (in early adulthood).  I played like crazy for about a year with no studying and at the end of that I was probably around 1000.  And then I didn't play for about 10years, and decided to pick it up again last year.  So starting 2014, I began studying maybe half an hour every day with video lessons and tactical trainer on chess.com.  I gotta tell you that my rating has actually dropped since I started studying, because there has been so much to learn and the knowledge I have gained is all jumbled up in my head right now.  But with time, I feel very hopeful that I will reach my goal which is 1600+. 

 

I am not particularly good with numbers, I am like you, average intelligence, am not an engineer nor a programmer, so I am not the type who excels at this game naturally.  But I am improving and I have already drawn some games with 1600+ players (Maybe they were drunk?  I don't know. :))

 

Good luck with everything!  

Nate5700
tonightatsix wrote:

...I am like you, an average intelligence, am not an engineer nor a programmer, so I am not the type who excels at this game naturally...

I am an engineer and I don't excel at this game naturally. (My rating on this site has been hovering at about 1000 since I started here)

Maybe they're right and people shouldn't worry about rating, but I worry about mine. Chess is one of those things I think it would be cool to be good at.

Jouzer
Thanks everyone and especially the few who answered my questions. I wanted you to know I'm not worrying about my rating, I'm looking to get better at chess and the rating is the only meter for one's progress i know of unfortunately, but from my Go experience I already know its a trap to care for your rating. As someone suggested I'll give it 6 months or a year of active study and play and see where it takes me. I just want to know what to expect in the long run and have some goals.
JGambit

I also wrote I still feel like a begineer. Just to make it clear sonshinny.

kleelof
Nate5700 wrote:
Chess is one of those things I think it would be cool to be good at.

That's funny.

Being good at chess does not get you fame, riches or women.Laughing

Mika_Rao

1400 for chess.com online chess (where you have days to make a move) is maybe close to a beginner.

1400 live chess (the category of ratings you have) will usually take an adult a few years (of regular work) to reach, and like hicetnunc said is a club player.  Definitely not a beginner.

Your live ratings are what I'd expect an adult beginner to have.  After you've read some books and lost a few hundred games I'd expect them to be a bit higher.

Crescentius
kleelof wrote:
Nate5700 wrote:
Chess is one of those things I think it would be cool to be good at.

That's funny.

Being good at chess does not get you fame, riches or women.

http://www.worldchesschampionship2013.com/2013/11/magnus-carlsen-chess-fans-pyjama-girls.html

Being amazing does though!