Typical Blitz Players

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Tmb86 wrote:

I bet this is the offending game:
Would you really if been proud to chalk that one up as a win anyway?

Hey, a win's a win baby Cool

Unless it's a loss, then it's definitely unfair!!!

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Move 12. Nf3 loses a knight but your opponent just didnt see it. And even worse when he took pawn on d6 he even didn't realize that he could have take knight on other side. 16. Kf1 is just horrible, O-O Was better. 

P.S. How did you manige to get flagged in first place? Move 36. Kh3 Rh1#

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TacticalSymphony wrote:
ScorpionPackAttack wrote:
TacticalSymphony wrote:
ACWolfpack wrote:

Blitz is nice if you just want to move pieces around without much thought because your having a boring day. I play it with my chess engine as well as online. I don't care if I win or lose. Do you?

There was an NM in the main hall last night arguing that bullet takes more skill than OTB :/

I mean...an NM?

Bullet is basically intuition vs. intuition.  One cannot train for bullet Chess, only those with true skill may achieve greatness there.  There are cases in OTB chess where people have gone from rating 1000 to 2000 and above, if they had true skill they would never be 1000 in the first place, so they needed to obtain artificial skill to level the playing field against the truly talented.  

...Wait.

The "truly talented" isn't the guy who's a 2450 OTB? It's the guy who's a 2500 here on bullet?

I was laughing as I typed that, but there is a grain of truth in that one minute chess is instinct chess where a person can't think and any seeming "plans" are illusory in nature, as the instinctual knowledge of good moves and reactions gives off the illusion of a plan.  The previous of course only applies to masters and above.  The only real plan is to make moves and hope your instincts are correct, either checkmating the other guy or running his time out while not giving him said opportunity to mate you.  Bullet isn't a place for learning, but of testing what we already know at a subconscious level.  If you miss simple tactics in bullet, then that is something the player needs to correct within themselves, as such lack of instinct would carry over into OTB games. 

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Stop crying about your poor usage of the clock, I win alot of games on time, yes I often have a worse position but that isn't the only factor, the clock plays an important role learn to use it better.

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what about option 3) realize u were outplayed and resign out of respect?

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im nt goin 2 ansr this 1 coz any1 hu tries 2 rite so fast she has 2 save as mny lettrs as poss has 0 time 2 read da ansr anyway.

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Tmb86 wrote:

Blitz chess isn't just about beating your opponent at chess, but doing it quickly. If someone wins because you lose on time then they've earned their blitz points just as validly as if they'd checkmated you.

which is exactly my point too. Still the blitz players get egos about their *skill* almost as big as their inflated ratings. Even tho its not even about winnin chess games. Since the internet makes it about 99% of all chess played i think this is very troubling and might ruin chess b/c 2 many ppl hav lost the objective. Thats only reason i started the thread.

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This might be a tangent, but I think it's a bit ironic that you think this trend in internet blitz games is ruining chess, but seem unconcerned about any effects that internet typing abbreviations and lazy spelling could have on the English language.

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JingleJeepers99 wrote:
Tmb86 wrote:

Blitz chess isn't just about beating your opponent at chess, but doing it quickly. If someone wins because you lose on time then they've earned their blitz points just as validly as if they'd checkmated you.

which is exactly my point too. Still the blitz players get egos about their *skill* almost as big as their inflated ratings. Even tho its not even about winnin chess games. Since the internet makes it about 99% of all chess played i think this is very troubling and might ruin chess b/c 2 many ppl hav lost the objective. Thats only reason i started the thread.

JingleJeepers99, I know how you feel. In my local chess club, there is a guy (I think he is 1880 USCF), who beats me (2180 FIDE) constantly in blitz chess because he is simply a whole lot faster than I am. I'd maybe spend 30-40 seconds contemplating an interesting move and maybe secure an advantage after another 10 or so moves. However, I look at the clock, realize I have 20 seconds left, and the advantage means nothing.

I've learned to just accept the fact that in blitz, the best moves are not always the best. In fact, inaccurate/dubious moves that present problems to your opponent are better! Blitz chess is not always about playing the best move every time but making your opponent think more. 

If you've ever run track or swam competitively, many distance runners/swimmers have the same mentality towards sprinters. Distance people have to train miles and miles while sprinters just move quickly for a few seconds. However, both are "runners" and it'd be silly to say Usain Bolt is less of a runner than Guerrouj.

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Some people prefer 1/0, others prefer having a week to make 1 move.......

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Time management is part of the game. There are longer time controls for those that would rather deal less with the pressure of time management.

For the blitz game, not only is it about winning chess games, it's also about the player that can better manage the time controls. The player needs to find the balance between using time and finding the best move.

Your example shows a person that didn't manage the time properly. You may think it's unfair because this person played better moves and lost, but had the other person used the same amount of time, that other person might have played better moves too. If the latter person were to lose because the time controls didn't apply to the player disregarding time controls, would it be fair since this person had to manage the time by sacrificing longer calculations?

I'll reiterate my point. Time management is an important part of blitz. Those that want to deal less with it should play games with longer time controls. 

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I never said long games are less complicated. It does deal less with time pressure. If you don't want to deal with time controls, what type of chess game would you play?

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Hey tacticalsymphony, he said deal less with it. Obviously long OTB games are more complicated but in a say....40/2 SD1 game (2 hours for 40 moves, 1 more hour after the 40 moves), time pressure is not that bad....until you reach 35 moves :)

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Bossologist wrote:
JingleJeepers99 wrote:
Tmb86 wrote:

Blitz chess isn't just about beating your opponent at chess, but doing it quickly. If someone wins because you lose on time then they've earned their blitz points just as validly as if they'd checkmated you.

which is exactly my point too. Still the blitz players get egos about their *skill* almost as big as their inflated ratings. Even tho its not even about winnin chess games. Since the internet makes it about 99% of all chess played i think this is very troubling and might ruin chess b/c 2 many ppl hav lost the objective. Thats only reason i started the thread.

JingleJeepers99, I know how you feel. In my local chess club, there is a guy (I think he is 1880 USCF), who beats me (2180 FIDE) constantly in blitz chess because he is simply a whole lot faster than I am. I'd maybe spend 30-40 seconds contemplating an interesting move and maybe secure an advantage after another 10 or so moves. However, I look at the clock, realize I have 20 seconds left, and the advantage means nothing.

I've learned to just accept the fact that in blitz, the best moves are not always the best. In fact, inaccurate/dubious moves that present problems to your opponent are better! Blitz chess is not always about playing the best move every time but making your opponent think more. 

If you've ever run track or swam competitively, many distance runners/swimmers have the same mentality towards sprinters. Distance people have to train miles and miles while sprinters just move quickly for a few seconds. However, both are "runners" and it'd be silly to say Usain Bolt is less of a runner than Guerrouj.

True.  As someone who does 5ks though I can't really say that we look down on sprinters, and I sometimes sprint on occasion for training.  Try sprinting as fast as you can around the track once, you'll feel like falling over. 

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TacticalSymphony wrote:
Sunshiny wrote:

Time management is part of the game. There are longer time controls for those that would rather deal less with the pressure of time management.

For the blitz game, not only is it about winning chess games, it's also about the player that can better manage the time controls. The player needs to find the balance between using time and finding the best move.

Your example shows a person that didn't manage the time properly. You may think it's unfair because this person played better moves and lost, but had the other person used the same amount of time, that other person might have played better moves too. If the latter person were to lose because the time controls didn't apply to the player disregarding time controls, would it be fair since this person had to manage the time by sacrificing longer calculations?

I'll reiterate my point. Time management is an important part of blitz. Those that want to deal less with it should play games with longer time controls. 

...Is this a serious post? 

You think people play long games because they "don't want to deal with the pressure of time"? 

Do you have any idea how much more complicated a long OTB game is than a 5 minute game of blitz? 

Sunny knows what he is talking about, believe me. If there is one person who can tell you that for sure, it is me. I had to deal with him mating me in 7 moves yesterday! Wink

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"it'd be silly to say Usain Bolt is less of a runner than Guerrouj."

This pretty much sums it up I think.  You wouldn't have Guerrouj racing Bolt in the 100m, only to complain that he lost because the track wasn't long enough.

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Time management is an important issue at every time control. The endpoints are 1 0 and many day correspondence, but the game plan for a g/30 is different from 40/2, SD/1.

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Haha, my game plan for 40/2 SD/1 is not get into the SD/1 part. There was a tournament game I played in that time control that went into a multiple pawns endgame with knights. On move 40 I offered a draw. He declined. On move 115, I offered another draw, he declined. I wanted to kill him lol. Ozzie knows what I'm talking about ;)