uh.. What is chess actually?
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xFallesafe
Dec 1, 2022
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After that incoherent metaphor about the hammer, you really should just walk away.
Dec 1, 2022
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#22
xFallesafe wrote:
Yea, chess seems kind of science-like. But if all it takes for something to be a science is for it to be something you can optimize and make small tweaks in efficiency to, then what’s not a science? Every video game is a science then. Planning my day is a science. Carpentry is a science. Air traffic control is a science.
Just because elements of the scientific method can be used to optimize something doesn’t seem like a good enough reason to call that thing a science.
Just because elements of the scientific method can be used to optimize something doesn’t seem like a good enough reason to call that thing a science.
Then what is a science to you? Because many scientific fields are all about making small optimizations when there are no big discoveries to be made.
It's actually a board game. So you could do that same diagram thing overlapping board game, obsession, and hobby. That small area in the middle you could call chess.
Dec 1, 2022
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#24
Well, let’s look at some fields we agree are sciences: chemistry and physics… They’re both umbrella disciplines with countless applications. The science of chemistry gives you a clear path forward in making pharmaceuticals, explosives, adhesives, gasses etc. The science of physics gives you a clear path forward in designing gears, motors, rockets, etc…
If chess is a science, then what are some things the “science” of chess provides a clear path forward in?
The science that governs chess is logic. And chess is just one of the applications under the science of logic. Chess itself is not a science because it has no broader application.
If chess is a science, then what are some things the “science” of chess provides a clear path forward in?
The science that governs chess is logic. And chess is just one of the applications under the science of logic. Chess itself is not a science because it has no broader application.
Dec 1, 2022
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#25
And logic is so universal and indispensable that it precedes all science. I’m not sure it’s even right to call logic a science. Chess is just a dead-end application of logic.
Dec 1, 2022
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#27
dont know if its science but it's information heavy and there are some facts ... and people some people even make a living from teaching it...
If you watch two puppies wrestling and rolling around, or two grown dogs playing tug of war with a stick......well, chess is the human version of those.
It's a board game, yes. But more than that, it is a competitive activity that gives us the opportunity to practice and apply many life skills in a "safe" environment, where there's not much at stake. It will bring out the best and the worst in you, and if you are wise, I believe you will learn from both and try to make your best even better and your worst....not quite as bad.
I don't believe it's science or art, but others might and I think it's a matter of opinion, or definition. If you find beauty in it, who am I to say it's not art? The board and pieces qualify as works of art, I'd say, but the game.... I don't think so.
Chess is WAR...although someone once made a good point about chess being a type of *puzzle*...🤔
lemaudit1 wrote:
Chess is WAR...although someone once made a good point about chess being a type of *puzzle*...🤔
I'm guessing you haven't experienced real war.
NervesofButter wrote:
Mike_Kalish wrote:
lemaudit1 wrote:
Chess is WAR...although someone once made a good point about chess being a type of *puzzle*...🤔
I'm guessing you haven't experienced real war.
Ever notice that the people that get all geeked about war are those that never served or fought.
Yes, I sure have. And I'm pretty sure chess is nothing like war.
NervesofButter wrote:
Mike_Kalish wrote:
NervesofButter wrote:
Mike_Kalish wrote:
lemaudit1 wrote:
Chess is WAR...although someone once made a good point about chess being a type of *puzzle*...🤔
I'm guessing you haven't experienced real war.
Ever notice that the people that get all geeked about war are those that never served or fought.
Yes, I sure have. And I'm pretty sure chess is nothing like war.
Well im sure we have some that would claim PTSD after losing a game
Sad....but true. But maybe they'll feel better when they get their participation trophy.
"Computers" do art nowadays. But i still don't think it's art. I am sure it's not science. It is a sport, although some may disagree.
And YOU have, Ancient One?? I'd hardly call being a FLYBOY dropping bombs on defenseless Vietnamese people "experiencing war"...maybe your Groundpounder compadres actually in the jungle, getting sniped at by g ooks or tripping landmines/falling down spiked pit traps, etc., WERE THE ONES ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING WAR!! Or, since the Vietnam War was more of a low-intensity CONFLICT, how about the REAL WAR of your predecessors, the generation who fought in WWII??!! Now THAT was a WAR! Which means nobody since then--including YOU and your SELF-PITYING GENERATION OF BABY BOOMERS--has experienced real war...so yeah, I'm glad you changed your original profile picture showcasing "you in 1970"...WHO CARES ABOUT PRETENTIOUS FLYBOYS???!!!
@Mike_Kalish...
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As for YOU, @NervesofButter, a.k.a., BALLSOFBUTTER, in reference to your YessMan Post #45, the only person apt to start soiling himself--war or peace--is boomers like YOU!!
lemaudit1 wrote:
And YOU have, Ancient One?? I'd hardly call being a FLYBOY dropping bombs on defenseless Vietnamese people "experiencing war"...maybe your Groundpounder compadres actually in the jungle, getting sniped at by g ooks or tripping landmines/falling down spiked pit traps, etc., WERE THE ONES ACTUALLY EXPERIENCING WAR!! Or, since the Vietnam War was more of a low-intensity CONFLICT, how about the REAL WAR of your predecessors, the generation who fought in WWII??!! Now THAT was a WAR! Which means nobody since then--including YOU and your SELF-PITYING GENERATION OF BABY BOOMERS--has experienced real war...so yeah, I'm glad you changed your original profile picture showcasing "you in 1970"...WHO CARES ABOUT PRETENTIOUS FLYBOYS???!!!
lemaudit1, I read your post a couple times and when I filtered out the sarcasm and hysteria, I discovered you actually had some points. You are correct in that my flying airplanes thousands of feet above earth is a lot different from being shot at on the ground. And no, I didn't actually experience war and I'm sorry if I gave anyone the impression that I did. I did serve 5+ years, but no combat. I was reacting to someone else's comment equating chess to war, and out of respect for those who HAVE experienced war for real, I made my comment. I think comparing anything else to war is, in fact, disrespectful to those who have actually fought, especially those who fought in the wars that preceded me.
I changed my picture because I decided that the "flyboy" was no longer me. I am as represented in the new picture....a husband (and father, grandfather, etc), an active hiker, and an older man doing my best to be a decent Christian.
I'm not sure exactly how I offended you, but I regret that I did, and if you'd like to chat further about it in a respectful, civilized way, I'd be happy to....here or private message.
