Vacations To Avoid Losing On Time Is Cheating! - Chess Forums - Page 4

NM TheOldReb

Apr 29, 2009

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#61

I am logged on now and am not making moves , why ? I will explain even though no explanation is necessary. I just got back last night from a trip to Cadiz Spain where we spent 1 evening and the better part of 2 days. I did all the driving ( 14 hours total ) and didnt have much free time in Cadiz to be trying to make decent moves in my games. I was extremely tired from the trip and tomorrow we fly to Milan Italy and return on Sunday. I am not sure if we will have reasonable (cheap/reliable) internet connection while there and am also not sure how much time I will have to spend on the net even if I spend any, so it seems reasonable to just stay on vacation until I return from Milan. This does not mean Iwont come to chess.com to stay in touch with a few friends, and my sons and to check messages I have here. I have important games going against very strong players and dont want to make a critical error because I cannot give the attention to the position that it deserves.

loodilo

Apr 29, 2009

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#62

thefox31 wrote:

gbidari, that is a ridiculous response. Why should it be a concern at all? He can click that button now and not have that to worry about later. A good, common sense feature that makes membership more attractive.

It isn't cheating because it isn't against the rules. Simple as that. You might not like it (I can honestly say I wouldn't mind - I'd be very disappointed to win on time in a correspondance game. I play chess not to get a little message saying the game that had just gotten interesting is over because something happened to my opponent's internet connection or whatever.) and that's your own personal taste, but it's just silly to go on the forum and post this nonsense. Calm down and find something better to do with your life, while waiting for your opponent to move.

Well said! I agree!!! Good on you mate!

SaulHudson

Apr 29, 2009

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#63

Okay, I meant you should not be allowed to access your games... although, having said this, I would be very surprised if this is not already in place...

Are you able to access your games while on vacation or not?

ilikeflags

Apr 29, 2009

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#64

for all of you and your turkey killing parties and your it's part of the website so it must be good, WE GET THAT IT'S PART OF THE SITE. WE GET THAT YOU USE IT. WE GET THAT IT COVERS YOUR ASS WHEN YOU'RE UNWILLING TO DEVOTE TIME TO YOUR GAMES. WE GET THAT YOU LIKE IT.

It's still abused almost everytime it's used and it's still stupid. all we're asking is that players have the ability to decide before a game or a tournament starts on how vacations will be used.

I too have seen players on vacation who are also logged into the site. I have more than one game running right now that i have a clear advantage during the end game but my opponent is on vacation. it's just stupid and annoying and it seems like an abuse of the system.

i'd love to hear more stories about family vacations and hunting trips or final exams when people we able to use their auto-vacation time.

BeeRad

Apr 29, 2009

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#65

Unsporting behavior of any kind should be discouraged and really has nothing to do with whether or not someone is a premium member.

One thing that I do expect with a paid membership is that I'll have access to the features that were spelled out at the time I upgraded my account. For many people the auto-timeout protection was a selling point and played a role in their decision to upgrade. Removing it at this juncture would hardly be fair. Surely you can understand this since fairness is at the heart of your argument? Or does fairness only come into play when you've been wronged?

I have not proposed doing away with it alltogether, as you would see if you read carefully. I agree that it's a valuable function. I'm proposing the rules be modified to limit overuse. I leave it to chess.com counsel to advise them of what's what with regard to promises made to paying members, but of course paying members have the right to expect what's in their contract. That doesn't mean rules are sacrosanct. I'm sure if you read the T&C's carefully you will find Chess.com reserves many rights, including the ability to alter rules.

CPawn

Apr 29, 2009

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#66

Dont you still lose on time after your vacation time runs out?

NM Mackus

Apr 29, 2009

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#67

I don't think it is fair that a player on "vacation" should be allowed to view his games. Time controls should be "activated" when someone is analyzing his games. Either you are on "vacation" or you are "playing". This might discourage some of the "abuse" that takes place. Also, the comments that people have lives outside of chess is true, but if that is the case why play 500 games at a time? I have a "life" outside of chess, and I adjust the amount of games I am playing at a time. Most people do this I believe. Using Vacation time to suppliment the time control is not right. If you take a vacation from your employment, are you supposed to be working?

Checkers4Me

Apr 29, 2009

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#68

ilikeflags wrote:

for all of you and your turkey killing parties and your it's part of the website so it must be good, WE GET THAT IT'S PART OF THE SITE. WE GET THAT YOU USE IT. WE GET THAT IT COVERS YOUR ASS WHEN YOU'RE UNWILLING TO DEVOTE TIME TO YOUR GAMES. WE GET THAT YOU LIKE IT.

It's still abused almost everytime it's used and it's still stupid. all we're asking is that players have the ability to decide before a game or a tournament starts on how vacations will be used.

I too have seen players on vacation who are also logged into the site. I have more than one game running right now that i have a clear advantage during the end game but my opponent is on vacation. it's just stupid and annoying and it seems like an abuse of the system.

i'd love to hear more stories about family vacations and hunting trips or final exams when people we able to use their auto-vacation time.

Tournaments can take quite a while to finish. Even without any person taking vacation, a turn-based game can take a very long time. Not everyone can plan out their lives 6-12 months ahead of time. Take a step back and actually think about what you're saying.

Jon_MaL

Apr 29, 2009

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#69

You are in the point Ruben (Matalino)

I definitely agree on what you just said =]

spoiler1

Apr 29, 2009

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#70

Mackus wrote:

I don't think it is fair that a player on "vacation" should be allowed to view his games. Time controls should be "activated" when someone is analyzing his games. Either you are on "vacation" or you are "playing". This might discourage some of the "abuse" that takes place. Also, the comments that people have lives outside of chess is true, but if that is the case why play 500 games at a time? I have a "life" outside of chess, and I adjust the amount of games I am playing at a time. Most people do this I believe. Using Vacation time to suppliment the time control is not right. If you take a vacation from your employment, are you supposed to be working?

Thanks, this seems the smartest thing to be upgraded. I believe players "overuse" this feature...( I didn't say abuse ok? lol....) Just look at my opponent, He makes 2 moves, rolls the timer down to 15 hours, his vacation settings kicks in, he is on vavaction for 4 days, then back for 2 moves, and the cycle repeats. Is it ok, and fair play? I am not judging it's not, or it is...Is it annoying? Possible. The thing is, he is losing the game, and when he wasn't losing it, he wasn't doing this vacationism...lol, so you go figure...

ilikeflags

Apr 29, 2009

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#71

Checkers4Me wrote:

ilikeflags wrote:

for all of you and your turkey killing parties and your it's part of the website so it must be good, WE GET THAT IT'S PART OF THE SITE. WE GET THAT YOU USE IT. WE GET THAT IT COVERS YOUR ASS WHEN YOU'RE UNWILLING TO DEVOTE TIME TO YOUR GAMES. WE GET THAT YOU LIKE IT.

It's still abused almost everytime it's used and it's still stupid. all we're asking is that players have the ability to decide before a game or a tournament starts on how vacations will be used.

I too have seen players on vacation who are also logged into the site. I have more than one game running right now that i have a clear advantage during the end game but my opponent is on vacation. it's just stupid and annoying and it seems like an abuse of the system.

i'd love to hear more stories about family vacations and hunting trips or final exams when people we able to use their auto-vacation time.

Tournaments can take quite a while to finish. Even without any person taking vacation, a turn-based game can take a very long time. Not everyone can plan out their lives 6-12 months ahead of time. Take a step back and actually think about what you're saying.

i clearly have taken the time to think out what i am saying. do you think i have this opinion on a whim? i pulled it out of a cap and ran with it?

JediMaster

Apr 29, 2009

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#72

Here is another thought to consider. Using vacation in this way is only a delay. If enough vacation time is used, you will still lose on time. I have won several games from opponents that used vacation time and after enough time passed they still lost.

NM gbidari

Apr 29, 2009

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#73

Unforseen things come up? That's no argument, that's an excuse! Those that use this excuse really have no consideration for others. They wrap their idea under the pretense that it's for a justified cause, that it's all very necessary, that we must all wait for good reason. I wonder if they actually believe their own bull. Show me a person that thinks nothing of holding up a tournament and I'll show you a self-centered person with no social conscience. Now imagine this vacation lovers...You don't make your move in the specified time that you agreed on, and you lose your online chess game. Shock! Horror! Say it ain't so Joe! The fact of the matter is my friend, if you're losing on time, then it's not vacation time, it's time to go back to Time Management 101. Anyway, it would be so much more honest if the option said "1 day per move... please see loophole."

Khody

Apr 29, 2009

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#74

All the guys bitchin about this vacation thing really need to losen up...or else go play real tourneys instead of taking an internet site waaaayyyyy too seriously.

MathBandit

Apr 29, 2009

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#75

gbidari wrote:

Unforseen things come up? That's no argument, that's an excuse! Those that use this excuse really have no consideration for others. They wrap their idea under the pretense that it's for a justified cause, that it's all very necessary, that we must all wait for good reason. I wonder if they actually believe their own bull. Show me a person that thinks nothing of holding up a tournament and I'll show you a self-centered person with no social conscience. Now imagine this vacation lovers...You don't make your move in the specified time that you agreed on, and you lose your online chess game. Shock! Horror! Say it ain't so Joe! The fact of the matter is my friend, if you're losing on time, then it's not vacation time, it's time to go back to Time Management 101. Anyway, it would be so much more honest if the option said "1 day per move... please see loophole."

Do you have an issue with normal Vacation time, or with the auto-Vacation feature?

fuze22

Apr 29, 2009

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#76

"...it's deceitful as we know the person is not using it for "vacation" or emergency purposes, but rather they are using it or rather "misusing" it to avoid losing on time."

that is the whole point of the feature. They are using the feature exactly how it is intended so there is no misuse. This stops them from losing a game but it does not make them a better chess player. In fact, it makes you a better chess player because you have to actually beat them.

NM gbidari

Apr 29, 2009

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#77

SenFan33, I'm not a fan of either especially for tournaments but the auto-vacation feature to me is more egregious.

ilikeflags

Apr 30, 2009

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#78

Khody wrote:

All the guys bitchin about this vacation thing really need to losen up...or else go play real tourneys instead of taking an internet site waaaayyyyy too seriously.

waaaaayyyyyy too seriously for what? doesn't each guy have the right to take vacations as seriously as he wants? it's totally acceptable to me if you find the feature valid. we disagree, but it think you're entitled.

MathBandit

Apr 30, 2009

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#79

gbidari wrote:

SenFan33, I'm not a fan of either especially for tournaments but the auto-vacation feature to me is more egregious.

Well, you have no valid complaint against vacation time in tournaments, sorry. Tournaments take MONTHS to complete, and its completely unreasonable to expect everyone to (in a 3days/move tourney) to never go out of town for even a weekend in that timeframe.

As for auto-protection, I personally use it whenever I take a vacation. I'm someone that takes 5 minutes at most for each move, and so I would rather have as much of the time for my moves as possible be used up in the first 24 hours of my trip, rather than that all be vacation time, since when I come back, I don't plan on using more than 10 minutes of time to catch up.

NM gbidari

Apr 30, 2009

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#80

SensFan33 wrote:

Well, you have no valid complaint against vacation time in tournaments, sorry. Tournaments take MONTHS to complete, and its completely unreasonable to expect everyone to (in a 3days/move tourney) to never go out of town for even a weekend in that timeframe...

I don't care if you have to go out of town. That's no excuse not to find a computer. This "I can't do it" mentality is all too pervasive on here and it is worth a topic all its own. If where you are staying has no internet, then get your arse to a public library. The internet is very accessible. Use your brain, improvise, adapt, overcome!