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Kacparov
IM Kacparov
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Oct 10, 2010
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This puzzle was shown me by my coach yesterday. The position in the diagram appeared after 4 white moves and 4 black moves. It's now white to play his 5th move. All the moves played were legal. How did the players get to this position?
Note: this is a very hard puzzle. There is an anectode that it took the USSR national team 20 minutes to solve, and it had such great players as Tal, Polugaevsky, Petrosian etc.! It took me (with help of my brother) almost 1 hour to solve. Please don't answer if you have already seen it :-)
andropov
andropov
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Oct 10, 2010
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Should the moves make sense, or is it allowed to do moves that would not be good if you would try to win the game?

SimonSeirup
SimonSeirup
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Oct 10, 2010
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#3

Yeah, i know that one ;)

IM Klaus Berg showed that one, and one more at the same kind, at a chesscamp this summer :) Klaus told us, that his friend GM Nigel Short showed him them.

This is a very beautiful puzzle!

khpa21
khpa21
Oct 10, 2010
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#4

The only way is if Black is giving d-pawn odds.

 

EDIT: manymercsmike has it. What a sick crux.
Mathematicus
Mathematicus
Oct 10, 2010
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#5

i figured it out after some experimenting

heinzie
heinzie
Oct 10, 2010
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#6

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/more-puzzles/4-move-debut

SimonSeirup
SimonSeirup
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Oct 10, 2010
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manymercsmike wrote:

Is this it?  It works, but it's weird even playing it out.

1. e4 e6

2. Bb5 Ke7

3. Bxd7 c6

4. Be8 Kxe8

We have a winner!

birdboy1
birdboy1
Oct 10, 2010
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psulax6
psulax6
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Oct 10, 2010
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AWESOME Puzzle!!!!!!!!  I got hung up on trying to triangulate the king with a bishop capture to "waste" the move. 
vowles_23
vowles_23
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Oct 10, 2010
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#10

Haha, I'm going to show that to someone, some day.. :D

GrantZierer
GrantZierer
Oct 10, 2010
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GrantZierer
GrantZierer
Oct 10, 2010
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#12

Why doesn't that work?

Sangwin
Sangwin
Oct 10, 2010
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#13

ok now I feel stupid, lol sweet puzzle!

SimonSeirup
SimonSeirup
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Oct 10, 2010
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grantchamp wrote:

Why doesn't that work?

Because black 4th move have to be done to. In your way, black has only done 3 moves.
As Kacparov said: "It's now white to play his 5th move"

Kacparov
IM Kacparov
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Oct 10, 2010
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#15

That's a quick answer! And sorry, I didn't see that topic...

ll931110_again
ll931110_again
Oct 12, 2010
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#16

Hey mate, how could I find such puzzles like this? They are quite interesting!

heinzie
heinzie
Oct 12, 2010
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#17

Try

http://www.janko.at/Retros/Shorties/01.htm

and

http://anselan.com/CHE.html

and

http://abrobecker.free.fr/chess/IntroductionToPGs.pdf

Kacparov
IM Kacparov
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Oct 12, 2010
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#18

You need a coach who knows many puzzles :)

gorgeous_vulture
gorgeous_vulture
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Oct 12, 2010
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#19

A semi reversed bongcloud opening ? Laughing

birdboy1
birdboy1
Oct 13, 2010
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#20

yes nick young, and just as in the regular bongcloud opening, the player who moved his king out first has a decisive advantage.