Vote Chess - Quality of Discussion

What group(s) are best for vote chess -- not necessarily in how high they rank as far points or win % (there is a list for that) -- but rather in terms the quality of discussion of potential moves and analysis thereof. I've been finding that some groups (I suspect many) don't have much dicussion about candidate moves. People just cast their votes. I'm looking for more of an interactive vote chess process with some experienced players giving insight. Thanks.

http://www.chess.com/groups/home/i-like-pizza

We have had some good discussions there  you'd be more than welcome.

I quit particitpating in vote chess games because 90% of the discussion would be people checking opening explorer and going with the most popular move. Once the game was out of the opening, no one discussed the game.

9% Just went along with whatever the highest rated player said

1% Was actual discussion

Its to bad, vote chess is a great way to learn.

difficult question. I am part of few italian teams and despite we try to organize our vote chess. Open discussions and share analisys, there are always few people that dont read and vote random votes voiding all the efforts the other does. Some of us ended creating a small dedicated team for vote chess only and admit only who prove to partecipate positivelly, activly and follow the team rules.all the rest: OUT!

sadly its for italian player only so i canot invite you, but i'm quite sure there are other teams with this philosophy. A good place to look at its probably the VCL team that organizes vote chess tournaments. Look there the partecipants and check those teams. ;-)

It's really not easy to find good groups. Very few have actual discussions, and those that do are very often marred by engine users posing as strong players.

Try to find a group with some strong, preferably titled, players taking part in the Vote Chess games. 

The only two I could recommend at the moment are :

http://www.chess.com/groups/view/the-great-british-empire

http://www.chess.com/groups/view/fantastic-voting-fanatics

If you think about it, the odds of people using engines on a free website with 10M members, when those engines are freely available as well is not lightyears away...

Is it at all possible for you to discuss something on this site without mentioning engines?

It really makes me wonder why you even stick around considering you seem to feel the site is flooded with engine use.

There are dozens of newly banned accounts each day. So objectively speaking, he is totally right.

Engines are bad. But something just as bad is people who play against opponents who are 300+ points below them so they can maintain an artifically high 2000+ rating.

I think private groups are an outstanding feature of chess.com and there are also many people I appreciate on this website.

If you're interested in chess contents, I've also contributed an awful lot in this area, but most of the public part is old now.

Dozens of accounts is not much considering the thousands of players each day. Plus, you have to factor in that many of those have probably been banned multiple times since they can just come back under another username.

You can even reduce this to numbers. Most of the time when I go to Live Chess, it gives a number between 8,000 and 10,000 people playing. Now, just to go with a conservative number of 10,000 players in any 24 hour period. Even if 100 of them are caught cheating, that is only 1%. Hardly the flood of cheating he always tries to make it out to be.

But, this comes from someone who plays much weaker players than himself to maintain an artifically high rating.

I guess after my last comment I'm not going to fall into this category. 

I've heard that the new FIDE online does something like this. But, of course, you can easily just use an engine on another computer.

weeellll, that is solely a matter of interpretation. Every hundredth game you encounter an engine-user, and it might be a lot higher the more you progress in rating. I find that awfully much, tbh. But now I'm speaking for myself of course, I don't intent to defend hicetnunc for whatever he said.

(Most cheaters are caught @Online Chess, not the Live variant. Just wanted to point that out. Harder to detect, easier to execute, plus a high Online rating might seem more "prestigious" to many people.)

How do you know this? Did Chess.com publish a study of some type listing stats and findings?

You're an independant thinker, and that's a quality I appreciate (it's also useful to become a good chess player).

I hope you go into OTB casual and tournament play at some stage, and with a couple years of experience there, you may look at all this online fuss in a different light.

I'm an avid reader of the Cheating forum. There also used to be a list of all caught cheaters here in the forums which was updated hourly. When I was bored, I followed the trails to the game where the respective cheater got caught (I told myself it would help me by analysing their move choices) and most of them were from Correspondence chess. I'm estimating that 90% (well, give or take ...) are found out that way. This all happened with my old account, in case you're wondering how I would know about this now defunct list.

Perhaps you have gotten the wrong idea in my messages.

I hate cheaters and cheating. If I knew one of my friends were cheating, you can be sure I would no longer have anything to do with them and would happily report them to Chess.com.

However, I accept that it is part of playing chess online, so I choose to not get worked up about it.

The thing that bugs me is people who always have to try and knock chess on this site by making it sound like my chess experience here is pointless because the site is flooded with cheaters. Which, when you look at the numbers, is not the case.

Perhaps that could change if/when I ever have the opportunity to play OTB. But, I don't think so. I would, however, get pretty worked up about cheating there. WHich, it seems, is on the rise in OTB tournaments.

Yes, I checked that list too and it NEVER said what type of chess the cheater was caught in. And getting stats from a forum is not really something you would want to consider accurate. (other than the ones I quoted above. )

"This all happened with my old account, in case you're wondering how I would know about this now defuct list' - No, I just assumed you were talkking out of your ass about this.

This just made me think of something;

If the Online Chess games here are so full of cheaters, and I have a 1600+ rating against so many cheaters with engines, I must be a hell of a chess player.