Was Judit Polgar, in her prime, on the same level as Garry Kasparov

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King343

was she seen as being as good as Gary?

 

didn't watch chess during the 90s

madratter7

No, but she was very very good. I'm not sure much of anybody was better than Garry in his prime. So that isn't taking much if anything away from her.

dtownva

She was a top ten player in her prime, beat him at least once that I can remember.

gingerninja2003
dtownva wrote:

She was a top ten player in her prime, beat him at least once that I can remember.

Never in classical, once in rapid i think.

gingerninja2003
Aizen89 wrote:

She was a beast, but nobody was as strong as Kasparov when he was in his prime.  While Polgar could be considered an elite and a legendary player compared to other women, she's elite only for her era.  Kasparov was elite among the elites.  There are only a handful of players throughout history who were comparable.  People like Carlsen, Botvinnik, Fischer, Morphy, etc...  Even among these players, Kasparov's strength in his prime probably titled toward the higher end of the spectrum.  When you talk about prodigious strength, he makes prodigies seem weak by comparison.  

All the other grand masters in that time were called 'the best of the rest,'

Kasparov did super simuls. Simultaneous exhibitions against Grand masters,

He was very unique person, Kasparov. Dominated for two decades.  

Just some facts for you. happy.png

AlisonHart

Probably not...but Kasparov was exceptional among the exceptional, and he overshadowed a lot of amazing players in his prime (including Judit). I would compare her to Grischuk or Mamedyarov nowadays: Clearly one of the best in the world, but - among the best - perhaps destined to be stuck in the middle of the pack. Still, to be 'merely' one of the greatest players of all time rather than in the running for THE greatest is no small feat, and there will still be people interested in her life and her games 100 years from now.

AlisonHart

Don't do that, dude.....there's no reason to turn this into another "Girlz sux at da chess" thread. Can't we just celebrate the strongest female grandmaster of all time without having to debate whether genitals dictate innate chess talent? 

quadibloc

Garry Kasparov's chess style is similar to that of Bobby Fischer's; so sometimes he is seen as being one of the very strongest players in history.

Judit Polgar was a top-ten GM, in contention for the World Championship to the extent of being in the tournament to select a challenger. So she was at least in the same ballpark as, say, Korchnoi or Karpov. Maybe not Kasparov.

MickinMD

Judit was not quite as strong as world champions, but she won games against every GM going back to Karpov - and supposedly beat Fischer in a private game.

IMpatzer

i think she was afterall she beat karpov! 

stiggling
Aizen89 wrote:

She was a beast, but nobody was as strong as Kasparov when he was in his prime.  While Polgar could be considered an elite and a legendary player compared to other women, she's elite only for her era.  Kasparov was elite among the elites.  There are only a handful of players throughout history who were comparable.  People like Carlsen, Botvinnik, Fischer, Morphy, etc...  Even among these players, Kasparov's strength in his prime probably titled toward the higher end of the spectrum.  When you talk about prodigious strength, he makes prodigies seem weak by comparison.  

Botvinnik? The man who never won a WCC match while champion, and called himself "first among equals?" I don't think so tongue.png

stiggling

Maurice Ashley tells a story about Judit when she was in the top 10. He asked her what it would take to get her to the next level and be the best.

Ashley says Judit responded "first of all, levels, plural" and it blew his mind because she was #7 or something and she was saying between her and #1 were multiple levels of skill.

checkingya

Hardly.tsk tsk

 

checkingya

When did her "prime" end? She is only 42!?

stiggling
checkingya wrote:

When did her "prime" end? She is only 42!?

Chess players tend to peak in their 30s.

Well, professionals anyway. Amateur players can probably last a lot longer.

brianchesscake

The worst thing Judit Polgar did for her career was get pregnant. That ended any chance she still had of getting back into the top 10. Such wasted talent.

jbolden1517
dtownva wrote:

She was a top ten player in her prime, beat him at least once that I can remember.

 

I think she was about 15 not top 10. 

 

SeniorPatzer
stiggling wrote:

Maurice Ashley tells a story about Judit when she was in the top 10. He asked her what it would take to get her to the next level and be the best.

Ashley says Judit responded "first of all, levels, plural" and it blew his mind because she was #7 or something and she was saying between her and #1 were multiple levels of skill.

 

Wow.  That is a great story.  Thanks for sharing.   

 

Judit was amazing.  No doubt about it.  Can't wait for the next female Super GM.  

AussieMatey

Never, Garry is about 5cm taller.

jsaepuru
jbolden1517 wrote:
dtownva wrote:

She was a top ten player in her prime, beat him at least once that I can remember.

 

I think she was about 15 not top 10. 

 

She WAS in top 10.

Top position was 8. First reached in April 2005.

The April 2005 ranking was

  1. Kasparov 2812
  2. Anand 2785
  3. Topalov 2778
  4. Leko 2763
  5. Kramnik 2753
  6. Ivanchuk 2739
  7. Adams 2737
  8. Polgar Judit 2732

So Judit was 80 points short of being the best, and 53 points short of being the 2nd.

She was also 8nd in July 2005, with 2735 points and Svidler rather than Adams at 7. And October 2005.

In January 2006, she ad fallen to 14th, with 2711 points