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Wolf_Plays_Chess · 2021-10-19T13:10:42-07:00

What do you think GM Hikaru Nakamura IQ is?

JayThe10th

Dec 10, 2024

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#921

ChessGT17 wrote:

957, in which case I apologized. If you don't accept it, that's on your guilty conscience not mine. I see now that you're not gonna apologize and that's fine with me, some people are like that.

just a little curious, why would that be on his 'guilty' conscience? its quite clear that he doesn't care about your apology, and doesn't like your spam, so? I highly doubt he's going to remember that or even keep that in his 'conscience' for even 2 minutes.

JayThe10th

Dec 10, 2024

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#922

crusaderking777 wrote:

Chess skill must correlate to IQ becUse when your calculating multiple lines deeply in rapid you need a fast processor/brain

BUT actually IQ refers to general knowledge and 'smartness' and chess skill refers to how well you can play in a SPECIFIC area (or rather game) and therefore does not correlate to iq, and for that note, since chess is a single thing, after practice you can become better, and you only have to focus in one area (sub areas are there, but the main area is simply chess), which is CHESS. While in IQ wise, you need experience in multiple fields, hypothetically, If I was good at mathematics but absolutely terrible at science, that would make my IQ lower since I only know one field, and am weak in other areas. (IQ refers to ONE THING ONLY. There are no separate categories when referring to general IQ, its simply just how smart you are GENERALLY.

JayThe10th

Dec 10, 2024

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#923

JayThe10th wrote:

crusaderking777 wrote:

Chess skill must correlate to IQ becUse when your calculating multiple lines deeply in rapid you need a fast processor/brain

BUT actually IQ refers to general knowledge and 'smartness' and chess skill refers to how well you can play in a SPECIFIC area (or rather game) and therefore does not correlate to iq, and for that note, since chess is a single thing, after practice you can become better, and you only have to focus in one area (sub areas are there, but the main area is simply chess), which is CHESS. While in IQ wise, you need experience in multiple fields, hypothetically, If I was good at mathematics but absolutely terrible at science, that would make my IQ lower since I only know one field, and am weak in other areas. (IQ refers to ONE THING ONLY. There are no separate categories when referring to general IQ, its simply just how smart you are GENERALLY.

But it is in fact possibly true that people who are strong at chess may have the ability to learn faster, or think harder, but does NOT prove IQ, as to know something you obviously have to learn it. Chess players are not just smart at anything off the bat, and will still most probably take similar times to learn non-chess related things than normal people, maybe being a little faster but not Megamind smart.

JayThe10th

Dec 10, 2024

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#924

JayThe10th wrote:

crusaderking777 wrote:

Chess skill must correlate to IQ becUse when your calculating multiple lines deeply in rapid you need a fast processor/brain

BUT actually IQ refers to general knowledge and 'smartness' and chess skill refers to how well you can play in a SPECIFIC area (or rather game) and therefore does not correlate to iq, and for that note, since chess is a single thing, after practice you can become better, and you only have to focus in one area (sub areas are there, but the main area is simply chess), which is CHESS. While in IQ wise, you need experience in multiple fields, hypothetically, If I was good at mathematics but absolutely terrible at science, that would make my IQ lower since I only know one field, and am weak in other areas. (IQ refers to ONE THING ONLY. There are no separate categories when referring to general IQ, its simply just how smart you are GENERALLY.

But it is in fact possibly true that people who are strong at chess may have the ability to learn faster, or think harder, but does NOT prove IQ, as to know something you obviously have to learn it. Chess players are not just smart at anything off the bat, and will still most probably take similar times to learn non-chess related things than normal people, maybe being a little faster but not Megamind smart.

Don't just assume because 'Oh, this article and this website said this so it has to be true' put actual research and reading into it find out whether a pretty controversial topic is true or false, instead of just looking at the surface and getting an answer.

JayThe10th

Dec 10, 2024

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#925

JayThe10th wrote:

crusaderking777 wrote:

Chess skill must correlate to IQ becUse when your calculating multiple lines deeply in rapid you need a fast processor/brain

BUT actually IQ refers to general knowledge and 'smartness' and chess skill refers to how well you can play in a SPECIFIC area (or rather game) and therefore does not correlate to iq, and for that note, since chess is a single thing, after practice you can become better, and you only have to focus in one area (sub areas are there, but the main area is simply chess), which is CHESS. While in IQ wise, you need experience in multiple fields, hypothetically, If I was good at mathematics but absolutely terrible at science, that would make my IQ lower since I only know one field, and am weak in other areas. (IQ refers to ONE THING ONLY. There are no separate categories when referring to general IQ, its simply just how smart you are GENERALLY.

But it is in fact possibly true that people who are strong at chess may have the ability to learn faster, or think harder, but does NOT prove IQ, as to know something you obviously have to learn it. Chess players are not just smart at anything off the bat, and will still most probably take similar times to learn non-chess related things than normal people, maybe being a little faster but not Megamind smart.

Don't just assume because 'Oh, this article and this website said this so it has to be true' put actual research and reading into it find out whether a pretty controversial topic is true or false, instead of just looking at the surface and getting an answer.

The idea that chess players are smarter than others is a common stereotype, but intelligence is complex and multi-dimensional. Chess players often exhibit strong analytical skills, problem-solving abilities, and strategic thinking, which are aspects of intelligence. However, these skills may be more developed in chess players simply because they practice and refine them regularly by playing chess.

Intelligence includes a wide range of cognitive abilities, such as linguistic, spatial, emotional, and interpersonal skills, many of which are not directly measured by one’s ability to play chess. Therefore, while chess players might excel in specific cognitive tasks related to the game, it doesn't necessarily mean they are overall smarter than people who don't play chess.

Studies have shown that individuals who play chess can have higher IQ scores on average compared to non-players. However, it's important to note that this does not necessarily mean playing chess causes higher intelligence. People with higher cognitive abilities may be more drawn to chess because it is a game that stimulates analytical and strategic thinking.

Moreover, playing chess can develop certain cognitive skills such as problem-solving, memory, and spatial reasoning, which might be reflected in the kinds of tests used to measure IQ. So while there is a correlation between chess playing and higher IQ scores, this correlation does not imply causation. Overall, chess players can exhibit enhanced abilities in specific areas of cognition, but this is just one aspect of the broad spectrum of intelligence.

Nepotamy

Dec 10, 2024

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#926

ibrust wrote:

You should be ousted from mensa immediately, you are a dunce.

There is no reason to believe your claim when the only evidence presented thus far, for Kasparov's IQ, directly undermines it. But in the mean time the least you can do is stop passing off your duncey assumptions as fact taken from a "very credible source", i.e. fabricated out of thin air.

You wouldn't get into Mensa with that logic.

RoadOcean

Dec 10, 2024

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#927

At least 1

magipi

Dec 10, 2024

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#928

Nepotamy wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

Nepotamy wrote:

idkhow-to-mate wrote:

There isn't much connection between IQ and chess skills.

All you need to play chess well is vision skills (easy to practice) and good perception.

An imbecile having the two above would become GM (see Fisher) LMAO

Fischer was no imbecile. He had a 185 IQ.

His IQ is unknown, but even Frank Brady’s wholly irresponsible estimate is below yours.

His IQ score is 180-190. Happy? That's what I originally said.

His IQ is unknown. What you originally said is completely made up, it has no connection to reality.

Nepotamy

Dec 10, 2024

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#929

magipi wrote:

Nepotamy wrote:

Ziryab wrote:

Nepotamy wrote:

idkhow-to-mate wrote:

There isn't much connection between IQ and chess skills.

All you need to play chess well is vision skills (easy to practice) and good perception.

An imbecile having the two above would become GM (see Fisher) LMAO

Fischer was no imbecile. He had a 185 IQ.

His IQ is unknown, but even Frank Brady’s wholly irresponsible estimate is below yours.

His IQ score is 180-190. Happy? That's what I originally said.

His IQ is unknown. What you originally said is completely made up, it has no connection to reality.

I'm sure if I said he has a 100 IQ, you'd believe it.

crazedrat1000

Dec 10, 2024

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#930

False dilemma - Wikipedia

mpaetz

Dec 10, 2024

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#931

Nepotamy wrote:

MVL got a 175 IQ on the SLSE online IQ test, and Hikaru is ranked much higher so Hikaru has to have at least 180 IQ.

I took an IQ test as a pre-teen and scored 163. I liked to play basketball but was not that good at it. Does this prove that LeBron James is one of the greatest geniuses that has ever lived?

Gahgaah

Dec 10, 2024

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#932

Sure above 100

TjPlayinChessFr

Dec 10, 2024

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#933

Im 200 iQ and stuck in 600 elo can someone explain ?

mpaetz

Dec 10, 2024

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#934

TjPlayinChessFr wrote:

Im 200 iQ and stuck in 600 elo can someone explain ?

Once you get that old your mental functioning declines.

Nepotamy

Dec 10, 2024

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#935

mpaetz wrote:

Nepotamy wrote:

MVL got a 175 IQ on the SLSE online IQ test, and Hikaru is ranked much higher so Hikaru has to have at least 180 IQ.

I took an IQ test as a pre-teen and scored 163. I liked to play basketball but was not that good at it. Does this prove that LeBron James is one of the greatest geniuses that has ever lived?

Basketball requires more than just IQ. Chess is different.

nah

Dec 10, 2024

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#936

higher than average prob

Ziryab

Dec 10, 2024

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#937

https://www.iflscience.com/iq-scores-in-the-us-have-recently-dropped-for-first-time-this-century-67907

Maybe we need more chess in the schools

MaetsNori

Dec 10, 2024

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#938

Becoming a top chess player requires two basic ingredients, IMO:

- Obsession

- Resources

The higher rated a chess player is, the more relentlessly obsessed they are with the game, and the more resources they've had to help them learn along the way.

It's pretty simple, really, when you think about it. A high IQ isn't necessarily part of the equation ... Not as a prerequisite, anyway.

Hikaru is a top player because he's been feverishly obsessed with the game since childhood - and because he's had master-level coaching all along the way. Obsession + resources.

Nepotamy

Dec 10, 2024

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#939

Hikaru also has a 180+ IQ.

mpaetz

Dec 10, 2024

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#940

Nepotamy wrote:

mpaetz wrote:

Nepotamy wrote:

MVL got a 175 IQ on the SLSE online IQ test, and Hikaru is ranked much higher so Hikaru has to have at least 180 IQ.

I took an IQ test as a pre-teen and scored 163. I liked to play basketball but was not that good at it. Does this prove that LeBron James is one of the greatest geniuses that has ever lived?

Basketball requires more than just IQ. Chess is different.

Untrue. All studies have shown only marginal correspondence between chess ability and IQ.