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What do you think of the Modern Scandinavian Gambit?

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Jenot
Jenot
Sep 21, 2017
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#21

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6! is a perfectly valid opening for Black. 3.d4 Bg4, i once applied 4.f3 here (and lost). Have a look at the game Wang-Damaso (China vs. Portugal), where White soon got checkmated. 4.Nf3 looks more solid to me, giving back the pawn.

LeonSKennedy992
LeonSKennedy992
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Sep 21, 2017
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#22
krecs wrote:

Much more aggressive than the french??! Is this a Joke???? Most lines of the french are quite bloodthirsty. The Scandinavian is not an aggressive opening. The ideas are simple, get a Caro/Slav structure for 100%. the scandinavian is an attempt at an "Improved Caro-Kann" in order to get a solid structure, the idea of both defences. However, while Scandi is more effective at getting the Caro/Slav structure by basically forcing white into a caro/slav and avoiding advanced variation, you lose tempo's and with that, oppurtunitys for attack, which causes a more defensive game in hopes of a superior endgame where you can use you're 4-3 kingsode majority to your advantage. Not saying anything negative about Scandi, it's just your statement is objectively wrong

The scandinavian GAMBIT, and especially the icelandic gambit ARE aggressive.  I played the french in tournament chess for years and the exchange variation leads to a VERY boring and drawish game, precisely why I switched defenses.

cheers

hajsjwbdjd
hajsjwbdjd
Sep 21, 2017
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#23

Leon stop talking about beginners should play scandi or d4..you are not that great.I can beat you easily if you play that "GAMBIT"

chessletsplayer
chessletsplayer
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Sep 21, 2017
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#24

@ hajswbdjd No need to be rude.

LeonSKennedy992
LeonSKennedy992
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Sep 21, 2017
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#25
hajsjwbdjd wrote:

Leon stop talking about beginners should play scandi or d4..you are not that great.I can beat you easily if you play that "GAMBIT"

show me...if you can wink.pngwink.png

And again, quit the rudeness.  Be respectful of others.

poucin
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Sep 22, 2017
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#26

u talk about portuguese, icelandic, etc...

But almost all strong players go for 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Nf3.

I don't think black gets something for the pawn after 3...c6 (if it was, it would be a revolution and everybody would play it).

I agree with LeonS, it is a very good opening for beginners (and more), because easy to handle and playing for initiative.

But at higher level...

LeonS is very optimistic and talks about Carlsen's win when he plays Qxd5-Qd8, while she just plays Nf6 and c6. She compares 2 really different variations...

LeonSKennedy992
LeonSKennedy992
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Sep 22, 2017
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#27
poucin wrote:

u talk about portuguese, icelandic, etc...

But almost all strong players go for 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Nf3.

I don't think black gets something for the pawn after 3...c6 (if it was, it would be a revolution and everybody would play it).

I agree with LeonS, it is a very good opening for beginners (and more), because easy to handle and playing for initiative.

But at higher level...

LeonS is very optimistic and talks about Carlsen's win when he plays Qxd5-Qd8, while she just plays Nf6 and c6. She compares 2 really different variations...

Carlsen would never play this gambit haha....but this gambit is great for 1000-1800 players.

hajsjwbdjd
hajsjwbdjd
Sep 22, 2017
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#28

cuz you're a troll Leon.Showing people to play trash opening.The Scandi never employed in World Championship anyway.If someone want to be good at chess they should play king pawn game or sicilian.not this kind of opening

SIowMove
SIowMove
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Sep 22, 2017
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#29
LeonSKennedy992 wrote:

Can we all agree that the Modern Scandinavian gambit is a solid and sharp defense against e4, especially against sub-1700 players.

It's certainly playable. A bit bland, though, for my tastes. With it, black adopts a more quiet, cautious approach.

I've always believed that if you're going to play the Scandinavian, you should play the mainline and bring your queen storming out. Challenge white to prove you wrong.

That's where the most fun and fireworks happen.

poucin
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Sep 22, 2017
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#30
hajsjwbdjd a écrit :

cuz you're a troll Leon.Showing people to play trash opening.The Scandi never employed in World Championship anyway.If someone want to be good at chess they should play king pawn game or sicilian.not this kind of opening

u are wrong...

Anand used it against Kasparov and achieved a very good position.

And anyway, do u remember the last time we saw king's indian (for instance) in WC?

LeonSKennedy992
LeonSKennedy992
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Sep 22, 2017
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hajsjwbdjd wrote:

cuz you're a troll Leon.Showing people to play trash opening.The Scandi never employed in World Championship anyway.If someone want to be good at chess they should play king pawn game or sicilian.not this kind of opening

scandinavian has been used numerous times at the grandmaster level, including Magnus Carlsen and Anand.  I must say....reading your post has lowered my IQ.

LeonSKennedy992
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Sep 22, 2017
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#32
SIowMove wrote:
LeonSKennedy992 wrote:

Can we all agree that the Modern Scandinavian gambit is a solid and sharp defense against e4, especially against sub-1700 players.

It's certainly playable. A bit bland, though, for my tastes. With it, black adopts a more quiet, cautious approach.

I've always believed that if you're going to play the Scandinavian, you should play the mainline and bring your queen storming out. Challenge white to prove you wrong.

That's where the most fun and fireworks happen.

 

Quiet?!?!?  The gambit line, especially the icelandic gambit of the scandinavian is anything but quiet.

schachfan1
schachfan1
Sep 24, 2017
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#33

The Scandinavian is NOT only an attempt to get a Caro/Slav position. There is ALSO Nb8-c6 instead of c7-c6. As for aggressiveness/quietness - there are aggressive variations and quiet variations in every opening - that depends on the players' style, and not on the opening.

poucin
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Sep 24, 2017
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#34
LeonSKennedy992 a écrit :
SIowMove wrote:
LeonSKennedy992 wrote:

Can we all agree that the Modern Scandinavian gambit is a solid and sharp defense against e4, especially against sub-1700 players.

It's certainly playable. A bit bland, though, for my tastes. With it, black adopts a more quiet, cautious approach.

I've always believed that if you're going to play the Scandinavian, you should play the mainline and bring your queen storming out. Challenge white to prove you wrong.

That's where the most fun and fireworks happen.

 

Quiet?!?!?  The gambit line, especially the icelandic gambit of the scandinavian is anything but quiet.

ok but u can't force this gambit...

U can't tell an opening is agressive because a variation entered by white when white can play so much safer and better : it's like saying 1.e4 e5 very agressive for black because u can go for Falkbeer countergambit...

Anyway, Icelandic gambit may be unsound, but that's another story...

Kmatta
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Oct 4, 2017
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#35
Actually in Smerdon’s book, he advises the line 1. E4 d5 2. Exd5 Nf6 3. Nf3 Bg4 instead of c6
dannyhume
dannyhume
Oct 4, 2017
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#36
I would never play that line of the Scandinavian... I have heard that 2700-level players as White win more often than not when playing against 2400-level players as Black.
Kmatta
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Oct 5, 2017
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#37
There is no clear refutation to this, but the closest is 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 nf6 3. D4 bg4 4. F3 bf5 5. G4 it’s is still playable for black, but white will retain an advantage if played correctly
LeonSKennedy992
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Oct 5, 2017
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#38
Kmatta wrote:
There is no clear refutation to this, but the closest is 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 nf6 3. D4 bg4 4. F3 bf5 5. G4 it’s is still playable for black, but white will retain an advantage if played correctly

totally agreed, sir.  But it is an enjoyable defense to play.  Do you agree?

Mike_Aronchuk
Mike_Aronchuk
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Oct 5, 2017
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#39

The 'danish' scandinavian seems to be a good attacking choice against 1.e4 in bullet. I have done very well in bullet games with it (1+1).Although it seems poor,it can be occasionally played to throw him off the bill!

 

gambitattax
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Oct 5, 2017
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#40
LeonSKennedy992 wrote:

where black plays 2...Nf6, instead of immediately capturing d5 with the queen?

Never play 2...Nf6 unless u know the opening theory well and you are confident about it. The opening is razor sharp for both sides. Instead you can play 2...Qxd5. If 3.Nc3 then 3...Qd6. This is the best line with which I have had lot of success. Black's pawn structure is very solid and he gets a pleasant position.