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Conflagration_Planet
AnthonyCG wrote:

Why is it so hard for people to believe that he just wasn't into it anymore?

It's hard for me to believe because I read a book that was written by him, and published when he was 18, and an IM. He truly had ambitions to become a GM. He studied for another 9 years after he became a IM, and still didn't reach GM, so he "Lost the Love" for chess.

Conflagration_Planet
AnthonyCG wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
AnthonyCG wrote:

Why is it so hard for people to believe that he just wasn't into it anymore?

It's hard for me to believe because I read a book that was written by him, and published when he was 18, and an IM. He truly had ambitions to become a GM. He studied for another 9 years after he became a IM, and still didn't reach GM, so he "Lost the Love" for chess.

That is hardly proof. Everyone has ambitions but to assume that everyone leaves them because they feel that they couldn't reach them is faulty logic. It is a possibility perhaps but he only way to prove such a thing would be to ask him.

Anything else is hearsay.

He studied for nine years after reaching IM, and didn't reach GM. That's pretty strong evidence.  He's just a god to you, because he had a movie made about him, and he's got the gift of gab.

Conflagration_Planet

Morphy, and Fischer were GMs.

Conflagration_Planet

Or at least Morphy played near that level. The didn't have the title back then, but they were both at the very top of the game.

bronsteinitz

He just bought a 1.8 mio loft in new york, so he must be making the right choices somehow.

Conflagration_Planet
-kenpo- wrote:

I don't think anyone could become "world class" in two years. even if circumstances/conditions were perfect and all they did was train proper with a coach and everything. assuming "world class" means top 50 or something. if waitzkin kept playing I'm sure he would have become a gm and been able to make a decent living as a chess professional in some capacity. he would have name recognition, something most chess professionals don't have.

also somehow I get the feeling that money wasn't ever going to be a real issue for him...

Once again, he indeed studied for nine years after becoming an IM, with all the best opportunities that most don't have, and didn't make it. How come there's not all this hero worship, and grandiose speculation about every other IM? Because they don't have the gift of gab, and didn't have a movie made about them, so they could become famous?

x-5058622868

I wonder if losing the gold also affected his passion for chess?

gaereagdag

Josh entered a zone where fiction and fact mind-melt into a gooey mass. He became one with Fischer.

bobbyDK
Estragon wrote:
AnthonyCG wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
bobbyDK wrote:

I think he realized if he was going to be stronger he would have to play a different kind of chess than he enjoyed.
Waitzkin hated being teached all the time to think like Karpov. I think Waitzkin would much rather be like Tal.

If he hated it so much, why didn't he just get a new coach who didn't teach him to play like Karpov.

What if I told you that you couldn't play a game the way you wanted to - that you'd have to be like someone else?

I'd quit too. Life is too short for crap like that.

 

What he meant - and I thought it was pretty clear - wasn't that the coach was dictating style, he was emphasizing that playing even the best "swashbuckling" style wasn't going to make it at the GM level without a strong positional basis.  Even the wildest of GMs like Shirov or Morozevich play a positionally sound game.

 

The bottom line is he wasn't good enough to make a living at chess, so he abandoned it.

I doubt you can make a living of being good at push hand tai chi which he picked up instead.

x-5058622868
Estragon wrote:
AnthonyCG wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
bobbyDK wrote:

I think he realized if he was going to be stronger he would have to play a different kind of chess than he enjoyed.
Waitzkin hated being teached all the time to think like Karpov. I think Waitzkin would much rather be like Tal.

If he hated it so much, why didn't he just get a new coach who didn't teach him to play like Karpov.

What if I told you that you couldn't play a game the way you wanted to - that you'd have to be like someone else?

I'd quit too. Life is too short for crap like that.

 

What he meant - and I thought it was pretty clear - wasn't that the coach was dictating style, he was emphasizing that playing even the best "swashbuckling" style wasn't going to make it at the GM level without a strong positional basis.  Even the wildest of GMs like Shirov or Morozevich play a positionally sound game.

 

The bottom line is he wasn't good enough to make a living at chess, so he abandoned it.

Considering his Chessmaster deal and chess books, i'd say he makes a good enough living at chess.

Conflagration_Planet
Sunshiny wrote:
Estragon wrote:
AnthonyCG wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:
bobbyDK wrote:

I think he realized if he was going to be stronger he would have to play a different kind of chess than he enjoyed.
Waitzkin hated being teached all the time to think like Karpov. I think Waitzkin would much rather be like Tal.

If he hated it so much, why didn't he just get a new coach who didn't teach him to play like Karpov.

What if I told you that you couldn't play a game the way you wanted to - that you'd have to be like someone else?

I'd quit too. Life is too short for crap like that.

 

What he meant - and I thought it was pretty clear - wasn't that the coach was dictating style, he was emphasizing that playing even the best "swashbuckling" style wasn't going to make it at the GM level without a strong positional basis.  Even the wildest of GMs like Shirov or Morozevich play a positionally sound game.

 

The bottom line is he wasn't good enough to make a living at chess, so he abandoned it.

Considering his Chessmaster deal and chess books, i'd say he makes a good enough living at chess.

But not winning money playing it Good night all.

Crazychessplaya
AnthonyCG wrote:

I don't understand where this ridiculous idea that people only quit things that they're bad at comes from.

+1. Just consider politics...

philidorposition

I don't think much about Waitzkin quitting professional chess but it's really sad that he hasn't become a full time chess coach or lecturer. According to his web site, he now seems to work as a "performance coach" for higher end capitalists, I'm pretty sure he's earning well but it's pretty pathetic where he has ended up morally. His talent for teaching and understanding of psychology of learning etc. could be of much better use for humanity.

He was easily the best chess instructor I had ever seen. His videos at chessmaster are so great.

iotengo
philidor_position wrote:

It's pretty pathetic where he has ended up morally. His talent for teaching and understanding of psychology of learning etc. could be of much better use for humanity.

... teaching chess?

Crazychessplaya

... or selling used cars...

GMegaMan

he became a  "world champion" (laff) in some mediocre martial art for goofs that no natural athlete would even think about entering

mattyf9

How does anybody here actually know why he never continued his chess career to become a GM? Does anybody here know him personally? Maybe he just wasn't talented enough to become a GM, or perhaps he was and simply found other interests. But regardless unless somebody josh and what his intentions really were, how can anybody say with certainty why he stopped having a passion for chess?

Quasimorphy

Go to a BJJ academy, tell them their black belt doesn't mean much and that you'd like to test their skill. See what happens.

Conflagration_Planet
-kenpo- wrote:

that's ridiculous.

I know he became an IM at 16, but the book came out when he was 18. It was obvious he then wanted to be a GM. At that time he was studying under world class coaches, and did for several years after becoming a IM. He also admitted in the book that a GM could make his best efforts "Blow up in his face." I say now, and always will that if he could have become a GM, he would have. That movie crap is just an excuse.

GMegaMan
-kenpo- wrote:

I bet you couldn't do tai chi chuan. and he's also a black belt in brazilian jiu jitsu.

dude... even 100 year old chinese women can do tai chi

brazilian jiu jitsu also sucks, for example everyone knows punches are the most common attack in self defence and the most effective..

how do jiu jitsu goofs train for self defence? by rolling around on the floor! laughable

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