I don't think this is possible, as they would have to be pretty silly to think they are both in losing positions. It would mean, one of them thinks they are in a checkmate, and the other thinks that they are in checkmate soon.
What happens if both players resign at the same time?
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eXecute wrote:
I don't think this is possible, as they would have to be pretty silly to think they are both in losing positions. It would mean, one of them thinks they are in a checkmate, and the other thinks that they are in checkmate soon.
It could happen. For example, suppose player A takes player B's bishop with his queen but shortly afterwards realises that his queen can be captured, and so he will lose his queen so player A decides to resign. Player B on the other hand sees that for some tactical reason, unseen by player A, the queen can't be captured and assumes that player A sees this tactic as well and so player B decides to resign as well seeing as though he just lost a bishop.
I think, technically, you can only resign when it is your turn. Therefore, in your scenario, whoever was on the clock loses.
Paradox356 wrote:
If 2 players are playing OTB in a tournament or something and for some reason each player thinks their own position is losing and so they both resign at the exact same time, what happens? Is it a draw?
This would constitute a race condition (both "resign" commands racing to execute). While it is theoretically possible, it would be extremely (!) unlikely for it to occur.
tomjoad wrote:
Paradox356 wrote:
If 2 players are playing OTB in a tournament or something and for some reason each player thinks their own position is losing and so they both resign at the exact same time, what happens? Is it a draw?
This would constitute a race condition (both "resign" commands racing to execute). While it is theoretically possible, it would be extremely (!) unlikely for it to occur.
I'm talking about when it happens OTB. Obviously on the internet whoever's request reached the server first would be the loser.
Apr 16, 2010
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if both players resign at the EXACT time? are you serious?
if that happens, the guy who says "jinx" first, wins a coke.
i'm curious how you think this could ever seriously happen. i'm not asking you to defend yourself, i just can't believe a person really thinks this is possible, let alone worth discussing.
ilikeflags wrote:
if both players resign at the EXACT time? are you serious?
if that happens, the guy who says "jinx" first, wins a coke.
i'm curious how you think this could ever seriously happen. i'm not asking you to defend yourself, i just can't believe a person really thinks this is possible, let alone worth discussing.
I posted previously a scenario in which it could occur. I know it is extremely unlikely but it is possible.
rookandladder wrote:
I think, technically, you can only resign when it is your turn. Therefore, in your scenario, whoever was on the clock loses.
Although I didn't look thoroughly through these rules I didn't see anywhere where it said that a player can only resign on his/her own turn.
http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=124&view=article
Apr 17, 2010
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Well, what i could see happening is both guys standing up and shaking hands at the end of a game, each intending to resign. Individually each guy walks up to the tournament director and enters the game as a loss. Yes it's unlikely, but it could certainly happen. I'm guessing that in that case it would go down as a draw.
Paradox356 wrote:
I'm talking about when it happens OTB. Obviously on the internet whoever's request reached the server first would be the loser.
Rock, Paper, Scissors. Best 2 out of 3.
Wow.
The new version of OTB Chess.
RPS OTB Chess.
Has it ever happened? It is very unlikely that it could or has happened at the top level. But have any one come across such a scenario in lower levels at least?
If each recorded a loss somehow (?) and the TD couldn't find them to finish the game or for a 2nd game (lets say they withdrew or it was the last round) then I'm guessing it would have to be a wash, no result. (Again guessing) The TD can't submit the game to the national federation / FIDE as a draw if the players didn't agree on a draw.
This reminds me one time I went up to the TD who was reading a thick book with chess pieces on the cover -- probably 400+ pages. I asked him what the book was, and he showed me the title, it was the USCF rules of chess rulebook... I can't imagine 100s of pages when the basic movement rules take up 1 page... but it's odd situations (somewhat like these) that take up so much space.
ilikeflags wrote:
if both players resign at the EXACT time? are you serious?
if that happens, the guy who says "jinx" first, wins a coke.
You win a soda for this comment.
Paradox356 wrote:
If 2 players are playing OTB in a tournament or something and for some reason each player thinks their own position is losing and so they both resign at the exact same time, what happens? Is it a draw?
I think the player whose move or turn it is, has the right to resign first. One who has moved already has to wait for other man's decision
Apr 17, 2010
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orangehonda wrote:
This reminds me one time I went up to the TD who was reading a thick book with chess pieces on the cover -- probably 400+ pages. I asked him what the book was, and he showed me the title, it was the USCF rules of chess rulebook... I can't imagine 100s of pages when the basic movement rules take up 1 page... but it's odd situations (somewhat like these) that take up so much space.
I just happen to have a copy of the USCF rulebook right here, and yes, very little of it is devoted to the familar rules of the game. The first hundred pages or so discusses the rules surrounding the playing of the game — things like touch move, the clock, etc — and how to resolve almost all possible permutations of problems that can crop up. Most of the rest of the book talks about how to set up tournaments, rules of internet and correspondence chess, and equipment standards.
As for the question at hand, rule 14J of the USCF rulebook allows the T.D. to declare a draw in "a situation in which a ruling is required and a decision in favor of either player would be unfair to the opponent." Thus if a pair of opponents came to me with this issue, I'd declare it a draw.
jedzz wrote:
orangehonda wrote:
This reminds me one time I went up to the TD who was reading a thick book with chess pieces on the cover -- probably 400+ pages. I asked him what the book was, and he showed me the title, it was the USCF rules of chess rulebook... I can't imagine 100s of pages when the basic movement rules take up 1 page... but it's odd situations (somewhat like these) that take up so much space.
I just happen to have a copy of the USCF rulebook right here, and yes, very little of it is devoted to the familar rules of the game. The first hundred pages or so discusses the rules surrounding the playing of the game — things like touch move, the clock, etc — and how to resolve almost all possible permutations of problems that can crop up. Most of the rest of the book talks about how to set up tournaments, rules of internet and correspondence chess, and equipment standards.
As for the question at hand, rule 14J of the USCF rulebook allows the T.D. to declare a draw in "a situation in which a ruling is required and a decision in favor of either player would be unfair to the opponent." Thus if a pair of opponents came to me with this issue, I'd declare it a draw.
That sounds like a fair decision. I looked it up, on Amazon.com they have the 4th edition, I was curious to see what the reviews could possibly say, they all read like this: "this book is not for beginners, it's difficult to understand if you're new to chess, this is for TDs etc." lol 
"Hey Tom, what was your first chess book as a kid?"
"Oh, it wasn't very good, my Uncle got me the official rules of chess book, 4th edition"
If 2 players are playing OTB in a tournament or something and for some reason each player thinks their own position is losing and so they both resign at the exact same time, what happens? Is it a draw?