What if you saw more than the board?

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u0110001101101000

Yeah, the Ruy is big.

But some lines are MUCH more likely than others. Like the Marshal and Chigorin.

I play it from both sides, and online (in blitz) I've never seen a delayed steinitz from black or the center attack from white. There are some named lines I wouldn't even recognize... not that I'm an expert, it's just most people are like me, and chose to learn only what they think they might have to play against.

 

thegreat_patzer

well, ok nick.

but like I said  and I will stick to this-  the key is to be positive.

 

about the games, I agree with #3.  every player here will attest that your next opponent MIGHT not be playing fairly.  but, we play nonetheless.

 

enjoy the gym. Jason.

BTW, bad luck about the pychologist-- in the past one has been very helpful for me.

ChessOfPlayer

Good that you feel better.  If it continues to efeect you in a bad way and takes the enjoyment out of some aspects of your life, see a psychiatist and see about some medication if you want.  You have more of an illness so see a psychiatrist.  I psycholgist talks about it.

u0110001101101000

I don't know... that sounds kind of helpful to me. The psychologist was repeating back to you what he thought he was hearing... if he had misunderstood, you could either tell him or the direction the conversation goes from there would let him know it was wrong. Like "no, not removing a piece, it's more like _______"

When it hits the nail on the head though, there's usually a reaction. Like, I'll get a big smile on my face when someone says something I've been thinking quietly to myself, or I'll laugh out loud like "damn, you nailed it!"

To me that seems like a good first step, both people are on the same page so to speak.

CrimsonKnight7

My deceased brother had a bad back, and they gave him steroids for it, he was having all kinds of mental issues on those things. He was seeing stuff backwards and could read the tags underneath chairs, it was strange.

recklass

I was rather joking when I said that believing in an altered reality might be an indication of sanity vs. insanity. I didn't mean to make you feel worse, although I can see now that you are either joking/trolling (90% probability) or I was closer to the truth than I realized on the sanity thing.

 

Lets face it, believing that a 70 year old woman's only possible reason for messing up a musical piece was malice has got to be the about the highest form of paranoia I have ever heard of. I mean, how could an elderly person have possibly forgotten or gotten confused? It just doesn't happen in reality, right? 

 

Oh, altered reality, now I understand. Altered reality, wink wink.

 

Seriously though Nicholas, if you are using drugs, they aren't working right.

BlargDragon
Nicholas_Shannon80 wrote:
thegreat_patzer wrote:
ChessOfPlayer wrote:

@thegreatpatzer

If he has a mental condition, then he is not going to be able to justify his assumtions by logic as they did not arrive by logic.

the idea is , if logic can't explain what is going on - perhaps he will seek help rather than talk to all the trolls on cc.

 

agree, that it is probably a losing strategy.

 

but what else to say?  now that I know what is going on, I feel less like making jokes about it.

 

the "conspiracy" thread would be so much more fun if it were started by a troll, and not someone who actually believes it

 

Maybe I am seeking help in some way by talking to all of you.

Everyone I have talked to in person in my 'real life' has said 1. "let it go" 2. "it's just a coincidence" 3. "just play the game no matter how it is being altered" 4."leave me alone" 5."no, that's not what I said I said 'something different that is not what was actually said in the incident' " 6. "it's not happening the way you think it is" 7. "no those things do not have a karmic connection" 8. "and all of this prevents you from working?" 9. or simply stood there with their mouth agape

one psycologist actually hinted that he knew what I was talking about, without me even telling him I play chess for fun he says "ya... it's like you're playing chess and someone simply plucks a piece off the board and expects you to play as if nothing happened"

he nailed it... he didn't explain it, didn't offer help, didn't offer advice, just hinted he knew what was up and left it at that... oh, and charged a bunch of money.

srsly I'm off to the gym, I do feel better after babbling with ya'll

I can't offer anything more than your psychologist did, but I know the feeling as well. Things seem different and you feel like the only one aware of it. Things may feel altered, or trivial and ridiculous, or unreal and at a distance. I've had moments like that. It gets worse when I'm under stress.

I can't speak for your psychologist precisely, but I know one thing that has an understated effect is validating of feelings--in two ways. That's doesn't mean agreeing with them, but just saying that for one, you understand them, and for two, that it's not wrong to feel a certain way. It's very easy to be critical, but I don't blame you for how you feel, and I suspect your psychologist doesn't either. The focus, instead, should be on what you do with those feelings--how you consider them and act on them.

Nicholas_Shannon80
BlargDragon wrote:

I can't offer anything more than your psychologist did

 

Then don't try. 

If you're not going to address those issues, or the philisophical questions they pose, then you're not adding in anything new. If you want to feel better about yourself by calling me nutz then just out and get laid or something, you don't need me for that.

BlargDragon
Nicholas_Shannon80 wrote

 

 If you want to feel better about yourself by calling me nutz then just out and get laid or something, you don't need me for that.

That's not what I said at all. I'm not trying to make myself feel better, nor am I condemning you as 'nuts'. If you read what I said, it was quite the opposite.

recklass
BlargDragon wrote:
Nicholas_Shannon80 wrote

 

 If you want to feel better about yourself by calling me nutz then just out and get laid or something, you don't need me for that.

That's not what I said at all. I'm not trying to make myself feel better, nor am I condemning you as 'nuts'. If you read what I said, it was quite the opposite.

I think you are missing the point. He can't hear people trying to explain what he is missing. In his mind people trying to rationally discuss this with him are part of "THEM" and are purposefully trying to delude him from what only he can perceive.

On the other hand, if you attempt to empathize with him and help validate his feelings, then you are part of "THEM" who have a motive that he hasn't yet figured out, but you clearly can't be trusted.

See the dilemma?

You can't argue against the logic of a 70 year old grandma filled government corporation hiring elementary teachers to alter the fabric of reality.

We can't prove the non-existence of something that doesn't exist.

BlargDragon
recklass wrote:
BlargDragon wrote:
Nicholas_Shannon80 wrote

 

 If you want to feel better about yourself by calling me nutz then just out and get laid or something, you don't need me for that.

That's not what I said at all. I'm not trying to make myself feel better, nor am I condemning you as 'nuts'. If you read what I said, it was quite the opposite.

I think you are missing the point. He can't hear people trying to explain what he is missing. In his mind people trying to rationally discuss this with him are part of "THEM" and are purposefully trying to delude him from what only he can perceive.

On the other hand, if you attempt to empathize with him and help validate his feelings, then you are part of "THEM" who have a motive that he hasn't yet figured out, but you clearly can't be trusted.

See the dilemma?

You can't argue against the logic of a 70 year old grandma filled government corporation hiring elementary teachers to alter the fabric of reality.

We can't prove the non-existence of something that doesn't exist.

Not missing the point, per se, but being in denial about it. But you're right. I had suspected as much; I just pinned hopes on some part of him seeing beyond that--more borne of my desire for that to be true than any logical belief I had that it was.

Carla-Magnusson

Ok, edited

ModestAndPolite
Nicholas_Shannon80 wrote:

Here is what I mean when I say "altered reality" since someone said my comment was too vague.

 

We all have tales of unfairness from our childhood and young adulthood, where we were mistreated by devious and manipulative adults.  But I can balance them against a few wonderful examples of moral behaviour by others!

Your cookery teacher, 70-year old violinist and corrupt chess organiser behaved despicably, but if I were you I would not fret over them or lose any sleep over them.  If they habitually behave that way then they will not fool everyone forever, and will eventually get their come-uppance.

They are also good lessons for life.  The sooner we learn that many of our respectable-seeming fellow humans are extremely unpleasant creatures, the sooner we can approach life free of the rose-tints of our childhood spectacles.

JamieDelarosa

I see dead pieces.

u0110001101101000

It's possible to rationally convince a not too far gone person... but yes, the sickness (so to speak) is not of logic, it has other origins. Even if you convinced them the water and food were definitely not being poisoned, it soon turns into "the government is poisoning my shampoo" or something like this. Logic is not the root of the problem.

recklass
JamieDelarosa wrote:

I see dead pieces.

(whisper)They don't know they're deadwood.(/whisper)

Nicholas_Shannon80

Thank you all for belittling me in any way possible....

 

NEVER did I use the words "government" "corporations" "poisoned water" nor did I make any claims that even remotely resemble that stuff that truly does sound nutty.

Everything I said is perfectly within reality, are examples of the types of things we've all experienced from time to time (or at least I hope I'm not the only one who has had to live through such things-that would make be somewhat depressed), and are not even remotely UNbelievable.

 

Now, the basic question is... How would you react, knowing that those in power above you were "altering YOUR reality" (for lack of a better term)?

How would YOU react? If you had been on the field and saw what I saw while it was happening - not saw it afterwords, how would you react?

 

This isn't unheard of... many baseball fans know of people reaching over the walls to interrupt foul balls in play and "altering the reality of the game in progress" so to speak.

 

See if you can respond without 1. stroking your own egos 2. adding in things to attempt to create a circus atmosphere that makes me sound as crazy as possible and 3. repeating old posts

AussieMatey

I put the shampoo bottle, Alice's old violin and the 2 pairs of goggles I nicked the other day in Platte County from this guy's gym bag, into the preheated oven about half an hour ago - so I'm just gonna see how they're going ................

Nicholas_Shannon80

I guess at least someone's actually reading it...

Nicholas_Shannon80

ya, a swimmer told me that you can rub a drop of baby shampoo on the inside of your goggles to keep them from fogging up while you swim... it really worked, too!