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What IQ do you have to have to be a grandmaster?

  • #21

    low enough to spend so much time on chess

  • #22

    Because IQ isn't that important to success in chess, I think IQ wouldn't be very restrictive.  Probably above 70 or 80 to be a GM, but even then maybe  you could find exceptions.

  • #23
    richie_and_oprah wrote:
    Admiral_Kirk wrote:

    IQ does not include forms of intelligences such as linguistic intelligence, musical intelligence, spacial inteligence, etc.   Also, people from different cultures are at a disadvantage.

    I'll get a link for you sometime.

    And I'm not saying this because I'm below average or something; I'm actually above average in my age group.

    i did not claim it a panacea only that is it a VERY reliable source on a persons capacity to learn

    and it is 

    see it is easier to learn to play violin when one is more intelligent and there are even such things as artistic prodigies (as it is not just confined to math and science) 

    Certainly there is some degree of correlation, I agree with that.  I'm simply saying that I would not use an IQ result to judge another person's capabilities, unless we're talking about a 30 or more difference in percentile.

    Another part of the issue is that intelligence doesn't have a real set definition.  There's the dictionary definition, but it doesn't really encompass what most people percieve as intelligence.

    I'm off to bed now, but I'll talk more about this with you soon.

  • #24
    Zigwurst wrote:

    I'd say that since your rating is 962 that you should start practicing more :P

    looks like i have

  • #25

    I meant in order to achieve the title of grandmaster. You got me there.

  • #26

    Technically there is no IQ restriction so theoretically nothing is stopping a retard from obtaining the title.  Practically however you have to be at least gifted probably since obviously a retard or even an average wouldn't have the practical mental tools to obtain such a skill level.

  • #27

    This talk about IQ is always a little strange to me because IQ is not constant at all. I think there is quite a bit of elitism in the thinking that our brains are just a result of genes and not also the environment. It's much cooler to say that I was born with X or as X than to say that I worked my ass of to be X.

  • #28


    For Kasparov, who went from iq135 miraculously to more than 180! Imagine Fischer's against Kasparov's 135. This is not possible. Of course, Kasparov IQ must be higher or not? It is maybe just that IQ , above a given "critical" IQ range, isn't significant to become a grandmaster? But, also, you should have no doubt that elite grandmasters have no "low" IQ. This condition being necessary but not sufficient, certainly. 

    You have also to take into account the standard deviation used (15, 16, 23). For instance, Fischer's astronomical "American" 180 (standard deviation 23, probably) amounts on other tests (Raven APM, Wechsler's) to about 155 (like Tal's 157, I once read), mostly used in Europe. It is necessary to be very careful with IQ, not only because it is based on specific abilities and not all intelligence's facets, but also because, as has already been mentioned in the thread, different tests have different spreadings and IQ's are not exactly the same. It is better to speak in terms of statistics or sigmas. 


  • #29

    It's not about IQ, all you need for chess is a good memory and a interest in chess, the will to really improve and not be lazy.

    Now tell me who is smarter the unhappy person with a high IQ or the happy person with a low IQ??!

    To think that humans are smart enough to judge someones intelligence is laughable.

    What do you need for chess? I tell you: a good memory, nothing more.
    If your heart is not in it you wont improve much, no matter how smart you think you are.

  • #30

    I think what leads a person to GM is probably practice, study and a huge love for the game. A photographic memory and fast working mind would be an advantage though.

  • #31
    DarknisMetalDragon wrote:

    What IQ do you think you have to have to get to these levels. Does IQ have anything to do with it. Kasparov's is 180 and the Polgar sisters have one of 170. Mine is 155.

    Expert- 2000

    National Master- About 2200

    FIDE Master- 2300

    International Master- About 2400

    Grandmaster- About 2500

    2600 rating

    2700 rating

    2800 rating.

    With your IQ you can expect to become a GM by the end of this month.

  • #32
    Yeah 155 is well above genius.
  • #33
  • #34

    My IQ is predicted to be 160+ and I'm not a GM, so GMness does not depend upon IQ

  • #35
    I don't think IQ has much to do with chess...
  • #36
    brumtown wrote:

    My IQ is predicted to be 160+ and I'm not a GM, so GMness does not depend upon IQ

    That's a super high IQ, brumtown. Put that to use.

  • #37
    brumtown wrote:

    My IQ is predicted to be 160+ and I'm not a GM, so GMness does not depend upon IQ

    I think there's a fallacy there.  lol

  • #38

    Cetaris paribus the same as the others

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  • #40

    My IQ is predicted to be 160+ and I'm not a GM, so GMness does not depend upon IQ 

    160+? On which scale, with which standard deviation, on which test, at which age? On Internet?

    Anyway, you sentence is a good example of brilliant sophism! 160+? Hum...


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