What is better??? A queen and a pawn,or two rooks??

CaptainCleanPants
The power of two rooks is strong, but I don't know if a queen and a pawn are better..
joannadowty

If the rooks are connected they are better then the Queen and pawn

eric0022

Not always, even if the two rooks are connected. If a queen can invade the diagonal and pick up other pawns present, then the queen prevails.

MentalWarZone
The Queen and pawn are stronger than the two rooks. Two rooks and and Queen are even, and Knight and Bishop vs Rook and pawn are even.
greypenguin
MentalWarZone wrote:
The Queen and pawn are stronger than the two rooks. Two rooks and and Queen are even, and Knight and Bishop vs Rook and pawn are even.

Not quite. Count.

Rook= 5

Queen= 9

5+5=10

10>9

 

HowFaresTheKing
In practice, I'm at 1400 Rapid and I usually lose with two rooks against a queen. Playing the two rooks takes a more skilled player. It's very easy to make a mistake.
greypenguin

But with skill it is much better, because of harmony.

ElectricPikachu

Sometimes I lose

ThrillerFan
greypenguin wrote:
MentalWarZone wrote:
The Queen and pawn are stronger than the two rooks. Two rooks and and Queen are even, and Knight and Bishop vs Rook and pawn are even.

Not quite. Count.

Rook= 5

Queen= 9

5+5=10

10>9

 

 

That's beginner's crap!

 

Long story short, it depends on the position.  The more open the board is, the better it is for the Rooks.  If the board is filled with pawns and lacks open files, even if connected, the Queen is better.  If they are connected, the Rooks can likely defend, but do little else.  If they are disconnected, the Queen is highly likely to prevail.  In a more open position with fewer pawns, the Queen is unlikely to win, and can even lose if the Rooks are able to dominate and one of Black's pawns is passed (even if he's a pawn down, it's the passed pawn that matters, not the quantity of pawns.

 

That point system is beginner's garbage.  Once you learn the right way to play the game, generalizations like that baloney will be a thing of the past for you.  I've seen just a Rook beat two minor pieces (without an extra pawn), I've seen Bishop and Knight beat Rook and two extra Pawns.  I've seen a Queen by herself with no extra Pawn beat two Rooks.  I've had two Pawns beat a Bishop or Knight in an endgame.  All of those scenarios see the player with "less material" prevail!

 

Lesson learned, material count is bogus.

greypenguin
ThrillerFan wrote:
greypenguin wrote:
MentalWarZone wrote:
The Queen and pawn are stronger than the two rooks. Two rooks and and Queen are even, and Knight and Bishop vs Rook and pawn are even.

Not quite. Count.

Rook= 5

Queen= 9

5+5=10

10>9

 

 

That's beginner's crap!

 

Long story short, it depends on the position.  The more open the board is, the better it is for the Rooks.  If the board is filled with pawns and lacks open files, even if connected, the Queen is better.  If they are connected, the Rooks can likely defend, but do little else.  If they are disconnected, the Queen is highly likely to prevail.  In a more open position with fewer pawns, the Queen is unlikely to win, and can even lose if the Rooks are able to dominate and one of Black's pawns is passed (even if he's a pawn down, it's the passed pawn that matters, not the quantity of pawns.

 

That point system is beginner's garbage.  Once you learn the right way to play the game, generalizations like that baloney will be a thing of the past for you.  I've seen just a Rook beat two minor pieces (without an extra pawn), I've seen Bishop and Knight beat Rook and two extra Pawns.  I've seen a Queen by herself with no extra Pawn beat two Rooks.  I've had two Pawns beat a Bishop or Knight in an endgame.  All of those scenarios see the player with "less material" prevail!

 

Lesson learned, material count is bogus.

You say it depend on the position.

But look, Metalwarzone didn't specify a position either so I thought it would be better to appropriate to answer in that way.

ElectricPikachu
greypenguin wrote:
ThrillerFan wrote:
greypenguin wrote:
MentalWarZone wrote:
The Queen and pawn are stronger than the two rooks. Two rooks and and Queen are even, and Knight and Bishop vs Rook and pawn are even.

Not quite. Count.

Rook= 5

Queen= 9

5+5=10

10>9

 

 

That's beginner's crap!

 

Long story short, it depends on the position.  The more open the board is, the better it is for the Rooks.  If the board is filled with pawns and lacks open files, even if connected, the Queen is better.  If they are connected, the Rooks can likely defend, but do little else.  If they are disconnected, the Queen is highly likely to prevail.  In a more open position with fewer pawns, the Queen is unlikely to win, and can even lose if the Rooks are able to dominate and one of Black's pawns is passed (even if he's a pawn down, it's the passed pawn that matters, not the quantity of pawns.

 

That point system is beginner's garbage.  Once you learn the right way to play the game, generalizations like that baloney will be a thing of the past for you.  I've seen just a Rook beat two minor pieces (without an extra pawn), I've seen Bishop and Knight beat Rook and two extra Pawns.  I've seen a Queen by herself with no extra Pawn beat two Rooks.  I've had two Pawns beat a Bishop or Knight in an endgame.  All of those scenarios see the player with "less material" prevail!

 

Lesson learned, material count is bogus.

You say it depend on the position.

But look, Metalwarzone didn't specify a position either so I thought it would be better to appropriate to answer is Rook = 5 Points

Queen =  9 Points

Pawn = 1 point.

So basically it's the same points. But in my opinion you can do the rook roller with two rooks but the queen can move anywhere than the rooks. If you have a pawn and want to get another queen the rook will take at one point if you are in check. And if you fork both rooks at the same time you can take one rook. 

Bearcat4242

I would think most of the time the players would agree a draw (in most positions). King safety comes into play as well. In my experience, I've played a standard game OTB & such a position arose yet after so many queen moves I realized just how strong connected rooks can be so I took the draw.

Optimissed

It depends on the pawns and kings. It may be a draw or a clear win for either side. Or advantage to one side or another without a clear win.

dax00

Closed position, I take the queen and pawn. With everything open, I like the rooks.