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bean_Fischer
bean_Fischer
May 13, 2013
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#61
DrFrank124c wrote:

...... The rich man who lives in a mansion and eats expensive foods and lies in bed until noon and parties and drinks and travels around in his private jet and  so forth is more likely to die young than the poor man who lives a natural, simple life, eats fresh food, works hard and avoids excesses. 

I doubt. The disease that kill men and women is depression. It doesn't choose rich or poor.

Patscher
Patscher
May 13, 2013
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#62
Shakaali wrote:
batgirl wrote:
Shakaali wrote:

There can also be differences in chess education. The players from countries of strong chess culture (such as Russia, Ukraine etc.) typically receive strict formal training from early age which may not be case for GM's from other countries.

That sounds convincing.   But does Norway have such a strong chess culture?  Armenia might since they produced two Petrosians and an Aronian, but I'm not sure.  The U.S. surely doesn't, but we produced Fischer.

 For example I doubt that Anand didn't have such chances in India which makes him one of the most remarkable "natural" talents of all time.

One of Anand's coach was Dvoretsky

landwehr
landwehr
May 13, 2013
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#63
batgirl wrote:

. . ., do you suppose, that differentiates a 2800 player from a 2600, or even a 2600 from a 2400.  What is it that a 2800 player has learned that a 2600 player has yet to discover?

Or is it all about something less tangible, and not about knowledge or understanding but about perseverence, killer-instinct, will-power, the ability to sustain concentration, physical fitness. . . or simply natural talent?

at that high level the difference is impossible to determine, but a degree of luck has a role in the difference

kiwi-inactive
kiwi-inactive
May 13, 2013
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#64
landwehr wrote:
batgirl wrote:

. . ., do you suppose, that differentiates a 2800 player from a 2600, or even a 2600 from a 2400.  What is it that a 2800 player has learned that a 2600 player has yet to discover?

Or is it all about something less tangible, and not about knowledge or understanding but about perseverence, killer-instinct, will-power, the ability to sustain concentration, physical fitness. . . or simply natural talent?

at that high level the difference is impossible to determine, but a degree of luck has a role in the difference

You mentioned "luck", I believe that we can have periods of time when probability is running in our favour more often than not, but the notion of something higher and supernatural doesn't have any plausible reasons so I assume its not the later, you may use it as an attempt to explain but I feel its weak because in a sport like chess, skill and mentality are pivotal to your level of play, I don't think explanations like luck can cross-over into chess at all. 

DrFrank124c
DrFrank124c
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May 13, 2013
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#65
bean_Fischer wrote:
DrFrank124c wrote:

...... The rich man who lives in a mansion and eats expensive foods and lies in bed until noon and parties and drinks and travels around in his private jet and  so forth is more likely to die young than the poor man who lives a natural, simple life, eats fresh food, works hard and avoids excesses. 

I doubt. The disease that kill men and women is depression. It doesn't choose rich or poor.

Diabetes, obesity, alcohol, tobacco can all be fatal if overindulged in. Not to mention illegal drugs that are more easily available to the rich man. And being a gentleman I will not even mention that being rich is a great way to attract the ladies and indulge in disease spreading practices.  A poor man who lacks the time and money will be less likely to pig out on these things. Also a poor man gets more exercise, having to do physical labor and not having an expensive car to get around in.

Shakaali
Shakaali
May 13, 2013
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#66
WoodPusher96 wrote:

One of Anand's coach was Dvoretsky

Do you happen to know when was that? I'm sure Anand has worked with top people when already a chess superstar but I was mainly refering to his childhood.

pawnkeeper
pawnkeeper
May 15, 2013
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#67

I think it is IQ and natural talent in that  area. Some have their  strength in math, some language, some music, it is the ability to think deeper in their strength than anyone else.

AndyClifton
AndyClifton
May 15, 2013
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#68

lol