What is the point of 960??

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game_designer wrote:

@The_Chin_Of_Quinn

Yawn.

Bitch please, you must have a mental disease. Go back to your own topics where you can safely talk to yourself.

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This is my idea, what was your idea again?
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The_Chin_Of_Quinn wrote:
game_designer wrote:

@The_Chin_Of_Quinn

Yawn.

Bitch please, you must have a mental disease. Go back to your own topics where you can safely talk to yourself.

Just for the record.

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I think 960 helps position evaluation and calculation skills in the openings because there are too many possibilities to memorize....but it seems to morph into an ordinary chess game usually about in the middle of the mid-game...

UniversityOfPawns, this was my opinion of it instantly. It does place position evaluation and tactics at a higher level of importance but that's naturally what develops anyway once you get out of the opening. Maybe it's just my opinion because I seem to do well in the endgame scenarios naturally. When I lose a game it's generally because I flubbed the opening and got myself into a bad enough position right out of the gate that I have a hard time overcoming if I'm playing someone who is solid. Once we get into the middle game, as long as the position is somewhat balanced I usually hang in there right to the very end or outplay people in the endgame. So perhaps it's just my opinion based on what I need to improve but openings to me are where I need to improve so as to not set myself up to fail.
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PleasantlyBleak wrote:
I don't seem to grasp why, if one were trying to improve their chess game, one would want to start off games in bogus positions. Seems strange to me.

Its what Fischer came up with "Fischer random chess" Its supposed to remove Opening Theory form the game.  I still dont understand that.  Chess isnt even close to being solved, and acting like computers have ruined the game is ridiculous.

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GodsPawn2016 wrote:
PleasantlyBleak wrote:
I don't seem to grasp why, if one were trying to improve their chess game, one would want to start off games in bogus positions. Seems strange to me.

Its what Fischer came up with "Fischer random chess" Its supposed to remove Opening Theory form the game.  I still dont understand that.  Chess isnt even close to being solved, and acting like computers have ruined the game is ridiculous.

I couldn't agree more. Computers haven't ruined the game in my mind, they have only expanded on it. Computers have challenged us to think way outside the box on occasion to find either some success, or just salvage from a disadvantageous position. They have allowed one to also advance in chess on their own being self taught. Yes, people use them to cheat, but they only hurt themselves in the long run. They are essentially asking the computers for all the answers and not learning anything on their own while making the other person compete with a computer which will make them stronger for sure. I think running a game through an engine after you just lost is an amazing way to learn and get better. Especially when you don't have a GM looking over your shoulder to help you. I myself am more of a positional player than an aggressive player< so openings are important and you need to know them so you don't get your butt kicked just trying to get off the starting block.. And once you get into the middle game, tactics and positions can and will come from anywhere anyway so I just don't get it.. Opening theory isn't absolutely necessary, but it is fundamentally sound and a good idea..

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well, chess960 lasts shorter doesn't it? For some that's a great virtue.

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I imagine you can set the time controls on it just as you can for a regular chess game. 

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Yeah but a part of the game has already been played.

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The main reason why Chess960 was founded is that guys who founed this varation knew that in normal chess are known combinations by pc. They wanted to add this varation for fun.

Have a nice day!

piotrchess 

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Not always, sometimes you can start with all 16 pieces on the first two ranks just in different order. Speaking of which, I entered a tournament for this without realizing that it was 960, and also without realizing what 960 even was had I noticed. Is there a way to back out of the tournament? It's the first game and I have not made a move yet. Will it effect my rating for it if I do so?? Because I am of the mind that if it will cause me to have a loss, I may as well just play it out rather than take the loss for no reason. 

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StupidGM defending the indefensible narcissist game_designer...interesting.  Wonder if their IPs match.

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Reminds me of some positions outside the board. Some people just want more variety. More fun.
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PleasantlyBleak wrote:

Not always, sometimes you can start with all 16 pieces on the first two ranks just in different order. Speaking of which, I entered a tournament for this without realizing that it was 960, and also without realizing what 960 even was had I noticed. Is there a way to back out of the tournament? It's the first game and I have not made a move yet. Will it effect my rating for it if I do so?? Because I am of the mind that if it will cause me to have a loss, I may as well just play it out rather than take the loss for no reason. 

 

Pretty sure you're out of luck -- the way I understand it is that you can withdraw at anytime, but if the tournament has already started, your remaining games will be counted as loses and your rating will take a hit.  

But even if I'm wrong, why not play?

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Isn't there actually only 959 positions, since one of the positions has to be regular chess

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The_Chin_Of_Quinn escribió:

 Which is misguided because "natural talent" doesn't exist. Like any deep skill, the depth of the competition (and IMO satisfaction) comes from two players who have practiced a lot. You can see this in sport, art, science, anything.

Also some starting positions in 960 aren't equal. A better solution to place less emphasis on opening theory (although modern players already play tons of londons and d3 Ruys do this on their own) would be to select a small number of equal starting positions that a game could being from. Then from those few, either make the starting position random, or let the players agree on one of them.

DUDE. WTF. THAT WAS MY IDEA.

I thought about that a lot some time ago and I think it is a great idea.

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Its a welcome change from the predictable boredom of traditional chess !

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Why are you here, if you think chess is boring?

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.. If there's one common denominator, as it were ; Regardless, of what type of chess, is being played ; If, All other game factors, among both players, are equal ; The player, who 'tires' 1st, {usually, both mentally & physically}, is More likely to lose.

 

.. I was reminded of that, 15 minutes ago .. when I left a 'piece', 'en prise';

On the 19th move !

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Slow_pawn wrote:

Isn't there actually only 959 positions, since one of the positions has to be regular chess

I was just in a silly mood yesterday afternoon, wasn't being serious.