What kind of help is allowed in Chess On line?

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GiulioItaliano

Hi, from Italy.

I post the question in the object. What kind of help a guy can use playing Chess On line?

Opening database or similar, computer analysis, a friend, moving the pieces on the board to simulate a variation, or NOTHING? (I use NOTHING).

I am glad to hear the rules of the site.

Read you soon!

 

Giulio

PrawnEatsPrawn

The following are allowed in turn-based chess (i.e. 3 days per move):

 

1. Analysis board

2. Books, magazines, online articles, videos

3. Databases

 

Not allowed:

 

1. Chess engines

2. Endgame table-bases

3. Third party assistance

ScarredEyes

Bienvenuto.

To be fair, nothing.

Premium members get to use an analysis board  (the online one). I'd recommend just suing nothing - after all, over-the-board, people only bring pen and paper, so do that. You don't get as much improvement if you use a lot of help...just bring yourself in with a good internet connection and you should be fine.

TheGrobe

Allowed and recommended are two different things ScarredEyes, with respect to the question of what is allowed, "nothing" is not at all accurate.

elgregos

Hi,

I think preparing your next moves by moving pieces on a board is allowed, because it's exactly the purpose of the "Analyse" tool you'll find below the "Submit" button. I use it a lot ; not always, but still a bit too much to my taste. For the others points you exposed, I don't know. Using a computer to suggest a move is sure cheating, so I'd say the help of a friend is not far from cheating too. To me, all that is not strictly "one human against one human" is not the spirit of the game, but I don't know how other people here see this. Examining opening database should not be a problem : it just gives you more knowledge of the game, and it's a common exercise (not one I really practise myself, I'm a bit lazy and am not at the level to see chess as more than just a really nice game).

omnipaul

In addition, many will disagree with your recommendation, ScarredEyes.  I, for one, view Online chess.com games as a form of interactive study.  Using opening databases while playing, I can learn new openings in a more casual setting.  Similarly, I can train my board vision by first envisioning my moves and their consequences and then using the analysis board to double check myself and try to push my board vision further.  It all depends on how you use the available tools.

artfizz

There was a comprehensive survey/discussion about this a while back that rehearsed most of the arguments ... a-tally-of-database-users--non-users.

(A simple summary of what's allowed can be found here ... site-playing-rules-a-guide-for-the-perplexed).

PrawnEatsPrawn
artfizz wrote:

There was a comprehensive survey/discussion about this a while back that rehearsed most of the arguments ... a-tally-of-database-users--non-users.

(A simple summary of what's allowed can be found here ... site-playing-rules-a-guide-for-the-perplexed).


 

With all due respect artfizz, my list (post #2) is more easily digested.

GiulioItaliano

I think that use NOTHING is the best way. ONLY If a guy play a unrated games and IF a opponent is agree, a guy may use database or articles or other.

But whan we play a RATED match (or a tournament game!) I think to use database is the same to use a engine and is a too simple easy way to get a equal middlegame instead of play a dangerous opening.

PrawnEatsPrawn
GiulioItaliano wrote:

I think that use NOTHING is the best way. ONLY If a guy play a unrated games and IF a opponent is agree, a guy may use database or articles or other.

But whan we play a RATED match (or a tournament game!) I think to use database is the same to use a engine and is a too simple easy way to get a equal middlegame instead of play a dangerous opening.


 

Your opinions do not reflect the rules of this site or the history and traditions of correspondence chess.

GiulioItaliano

Hi, I use NOTHING because:

1) What kind of satisfaction can I get if I win and my first 10/12 moves are made not by me? (A if I lose? :)

kco

that is your choice.

sapientdust
omnipaul wrote:

... I, for one, view Online chess.com games as a form of interactive study.  Using opening databases while playing, I can learn new openings in a more casual setting.  Similarly, I can train my board vision by first envisioning my moves and their consequences and then using the analysis board to double check myself and try to push my board vision further.  It all depends on how you use the available tools.


Agree completely with this and with PrawnsEatsPrawns.

Turn-based chess is not live chess. If you only want to play against people following live chess rules, there's a simple solution: only play live chess. There is no point in whining about people who play turn-based chess the way it has traditionally been played, when it was correspondence chess played through the post.