What order of Sicilian openings should I learn them in?

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ChessDragon2018

Are there other openings? What order would you recommend? Here is my guess:

 

Najdorf
Dragon

 

Anderssen, Kan, Paulsen (only listing them in alphabetical order)

Richter Rauzer

 

Alapin (maybe after dragon too)

 

Not sure of order for the last three, but this is how I would learn them:

 

Scheveningen
Sveshnikov/Pelikan
Kalashnikov/Lowenthal

IMKeto

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ChessDragon2018
IMBacon wrote:

You just joined.

Played no games.

Give no indiacation of your skill level.

Give no indication of your ability.

What answer are you looking for?

 

That is like an airline company asking a lawyer or doctor why they want to know the best travel plans even though they never flew on their planes before.


Why do I have to play games on this server to ask good questions?

Why do I need to have a "skill level"? That is the essence of the question.


If you were to learn the Sicilian from BOTTOM to TOP, which would you start with?

 

The answer I am looking for is one in which would guide a player to learning openings in a logical and smart progress. Sorry if you can't comprehend this.

ChessDragon2018

ME: "Excuse me, which aisle are the Heinz ketchup bottles in?"

IMBacon: "Why are you asking? You never shopped here before."

cfour_explosive
ChessDragon2018 wrote:

 

Why do I need to have a "skill level"?

 

because our answers depend on it. for example, if you are below 1700 (maybe even below 2000?) you probably don't need to learn the Richter-Rauzer at all as almost nobody plays it at that level and if they  play it they know no theory anyway. I  have played hundreds of games on this site at level 1400-1500 and have faced 0 Richter-Rauzers, 0 Sveshnikovs, 1 Rossolimi. People play either sidelines or the more popular Najdorf or Dragon.

ChessDragon2018
h4_explosive wrote:
ChessDragon2018 wrote:

 

Why do I need to have a "skill level"?

 

because our answers depend on it. for example, if you are below 1700 (maybe even below 2000?) you probably don't need to learn the Richter-Rauzer at all as almost nobody plays it at that level and if they  play it they know no theory anyway. I  have played over hundreds of games on this site at level 1300-1500 and have played 0 Richter-Rauzers, 0 Sveshnikovs, 1 Rossolimi. People play either sidelines or the more popular Najdorf or Dragon.

 

 

I am not asking for you to answer only my level. I am asking about the progression. I will start at 1300.

 

At 1300, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1400, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1500, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1600, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1700, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1800, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1900, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2000, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2100, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2200, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2300, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2400, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2500, what Sicilian should a player learn?

 

Does anyone understand the root question? What order of Sicilian openings should a person learn?

 

It doesn't matter the level I am at, the answer is still the same. Pilots don't fly differently because someone is a first time passenger on a plane.

cfour_explosive
ChessDragon2018 wrote:
h4_explosive wrote:
ChessDragon2018 wrote:

 

Why do I need to have a "skill level"?

 

because our answers depend on it. for example, if you are below 1700 (maybe even below 2000?) you probably don't need to learn the Richter-Rauzer at all as almost nobody plays it at that level and if they  play it they know no theory anyway. I  have played over hundreds of games on this site at level 1300-1500 and have played 0 Richter-Rauzers, 0 Sveshnikovs, 1 Rossolimi. People play either sidelines or the more popular Najdorf or Dragon.

 

 

I am not asking for you to answer only my level. I am asking about the progression. I will start at 1300.

 

At 1300, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1400, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1500, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1600, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1700, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1800, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1900, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2000, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2100, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2200, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2300, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2400, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2500, what Sicilian should a player learn?

 

Does anyone understand the root question? What order of Sicilian openings should a person learn?

 

It doesn't matter the level I am at, the answer is still the same. Pilots don't fly differently because someone is a first time passenger on a plane.

well, I kinda answered that question. Personally, I would learn the Dragon and the Najdorf first as  they are the most popular and most sound. Afterwards you should probably learn the Scheveningen as the Scheveningen and the Najdorf often transpose into each other.

cellomaster8
1300-1500 player I wouldn’t even recommend learning the Sicilian in too much detail
ChessDragon2018

"Afterwards you should probably learn the Scheveningen as the Scheveningen and the Najdorf often transpose into each other."

 

Thank you, that is the kind of response I am looking for. That Canty guy on Twitch plays Alapin.

ThrillerFan
ChessDragon2018 wrote:

Are there other openings? What order would you recommend? Here is my guess:

 

Najdorf
Dragon

 

Anderssen, Kan, Paulsen (only listing them in alphabetical order)

Richter Rauzer

 

Alapin (maybe after dragon too)

 

Not sure of order for the last three, but this is how I would learn them:

 

Scheveningen
Sveshnikov/Pelikan
Kalashnikov/Lowenthal

 

This makes zero sense and I wager you are well below 1800.  Below 1800, you shouldn't be focused on Opening Theory.  Just opening concepts.  Worry more about Strategy, Endgames, and Tactics.

 

If you are trying to play these all as Black, you are crazy.  That's like trying to take up Guitar, Banjo, Oboe, Saxophone, Clarinet, Flute, Tuba, and Drums all at the same time and aim to be good enough to play all of those in either an Orchestra or Rock Band.

 

The fact that you say "Alapin (maybe after Dragon too)", uhm, there is no Alapin after the Dragon.

 

There is no way to get an Alapin if you play d4 before c3.  You've got:

 

1.e4 c5 2.c3

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 (usually transposes)

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.c3 (usually transposes)

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.c3 (a whole different ball of Wax)

 

The dragon is 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 (THIS IS NOT THE DRAGON - YET IT'S THE LATEST YOU CAN GO INTO THE c3 LINES) 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 g6 (ONLY NOW ARE YOU IN A DRAGON - THERE IS NO ALAPIN AT THIS POINT!)

 

So regardless as to whether you are looking to play this from White's, Black's, or both perspectives, clearly your post indicates that you are likely on the lower end, and should probably be learning opening concepts and starting with 1...d5 against 1.d4 and 1...e5 against 1.e4, and playing both 1.e4 and 1.d4 as White, avoiding Flank Openings.

 

So your BS airline comparison holds no water.  Airlines and Chess are nothing alike, and you can't use lateral comparisons across all genres. 

 

A 1300 player asking what order to learn every known variation of the Open Sicilian has about the same level of appropriateness to a male virgin asking whether to go after women via logging onto dating sites, cat calling babes on the beach, or hitting up their own sister or first cousin!

 

A 2000 player asking the same question would be like a male virgin asking whether to use Match, eHarmony, or Christian Mingle to find women!

ThrillerFan
h4_explosive wrote:
ChessDragon2018 wrote:
h4_explosive wrote:
ChessDragon2018 wrote:

 

Why do I need to have a "skill level"?

 

because our answers depend on it. for example, if you are below 1700 (maybe even below 2000?) you probably don't need to learn the Richter-Rauzer at all as almost nobody plays it at that level and if they  play it they know no theory anyway. I  have played over hundreds of games on this site at level 1300-1500 and have played 0 Richter-Rauzers, 0 Sveshnikovs, 1 Rossolimi. People play either sidelines or the more popular Najdorf or Dragon.

 

 

I am not asking for you to answer only my level. I am asking about the progression. I will start at 1300.

 

At 1300, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1400, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1500, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1600, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1700, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1800, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 1900, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2000, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2100, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2200, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2300, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2400, what Sicilian should a player learn?

At 2500, what Sicilian should a player learn?

 

Does anyone understand the root question? What order of Sicilian openings should a person learn?

 

It doesn't matter the level I am at, the answer is still the same. Pilots don't fly differently because someone is a first time passenger on a plane.

well, I kinda answered that question. Personally, I would learn the Dragon and the Najdorf first as  they are the most popular and most sound. Afterwards you should probably learn the Scheveningen as the Scheveningen and the Najdorf often transpose into each other.

 

This is pure idiocy!

 

If you are playing the White side of the Sicilian, you don't need to know the entire dragon and the entire Najdorf.  You need a line against each.  For example, in the Dragon, if you learn the Yugoslav Attack, no point in learning the Classical, Levenfish, etc.  With the Najdorf, if you learn the 6.Bg5 lines, there is no point in learning each and every one of the others.

 

If you are trying to play both as Black, with the amount of theory each one has, you'll be here for decades and still have no clue what you are doing that's how much theory there is.  Outside of Kasparov and people at his level, doubt you find anybody that plays both the Najdorf and Dragon as Black in SERIOUS OVER THE BOARD COMPETITION.  Chess.com Blitz or Bullet is BS Chess.  You can win with 1.h4.

cfour_explosive

I've never said that he should learn the entire Dragon or every Najdorf line. but still props for insulting me, well done.

cfour_explosive
ChessDragon2018 wrote:

"Afterwards you should probably learn the Scheveningen as the Scheveningen and the Najdorf often transpose into each other."

 

Thank you, that is the kind of response I am looking for. That Canty guy on Twitch plays Alapin.

yeah, you should probably learn 1 line against the Alapin... it's not very good for white, but it's still very common at the below 2000 level because people want to avoid open sicilian theory. personally, I just play d5 against the Alapin and then develop my pieces naturally, always gives me a decent game

ChessDragon2018

"This makes zero sense and I wager you are well below 1800."

 

Ok, and yes, I am below 1800.

 

"Below 1800, you shouldn't be focused on Opening Theory."

 

Well, I am. Sorry.

 

"If you are trying to play these all as Black, you are crazy."

 

Yes, I kinda agree, but let's say "experimental" instead of crazy ok?

 

"That's like trying to take up Guitar, Banjo, Oboe, Saxophone, Clarinet, Flute, Tuba, and Drums all at the same time and aim to be good enough to play all of those in either an Orchestra or Rock Band."

 

Well, at music school, and I was a music education major one time (Berklee in Boston) you learn one instrument and you are allowed to become a music teacher. Music teachers don't have to know how to play all instruments before they make parents and siblings come to those horrid gymnasium school concerts.

 

So, yea, I want to be one of those music teachers but at chess.

 

"The fact that you say "Alapin (maybe after Dragon too)", uhm, there is no Alapin after the Dragon."

 

I didn't mean in sequence. I meant, you go to science class and you learn biology or chemistry first right? Then, the next year you learn the other. I am not saying you learn chemistry experiments right after dissecting a frog.

 

I hope this clarifies my intent.

 

"Airlines and Chess are nothing alike, and you can't use lateral comparisons across all genres."

 

I have co-pilots that agree with what I am saying though.

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I don't understand your online dating arguments. I was a 900 rated lover in my 20's and had my first "encounter" with a 2500 rated woman in her 30's . She asked for more.

 

testaaaaa

maybe a better question would be : what is the easiest sound sicilian with managable theory if you want to start out with 1.e4 c5      

Taimanov is a little bit less work than dragon or najdorf i think,

 

ChessDragon2018
testaaaaa wrote:

maybe a better question would be : what is the easiest sound sicilian with managable theory if you want to start out with 1.e4 c5

 

Yea, I was trying to ask that earlier. Thanks for rephrasing the question.

testaaaaa

and easiest of course only in comparison to the other sicilians lol.

Simon Williams and Danny Gormally bring out a new dvd najdorf for the lazy player i kinda doubt that you can be a lazy najdorf-player but lets see what others say

JayeshSinhaChess

There is no set order to learn anything in. Should you learn openings first or endgames? Should you learn tactics first or strategy? Should you learn KID first or Grunfeld?

 

Similarly there is no set answer to which version of Sicillian must you learn first.

 

However what you could do, is go through the master games, and see which versions of the sicillian are more commonly played and start learning the ones which are more popular, as they are the ones you are more like to face and then move downward to less popular ones.

 

testaaaaa

well if you hit they most played button in the databases you will always end in the najdorf- this means however that its also the one with the most theory and most stuff to learn-     ;/

 

ChessDragon2018
testaaaaa wrote:

well if you hit they most played button in the databases you will always end in the najdorf- this means however that its also the one with the most theory and most stuff to learn-     ;/

 

 

So, ok, I'll skip Najdorf. Which one should I learn then?