What real ELO would you assign to the chess.com bots?

This feels like the right idea, but feel you aren't going high enough-Intermediate hits at least 900 rated and Advanced, the final bots there are solid 1300-1400 on a good day.

A 1500-1600 bot on chess.com is around my level. 850 rating in 10 minutes games.

And Lorenzo plays similar skill like a 1300-1400 rated human.

I whole heartedly agree with tthe sentiment that because of the chesscom pattern of giving someone 3 crowns for defeating a bot once, and for not accounting for losses at all - people tend to just decide they can beat a bot when they beat it occasionally - and are not really goign to score 5 of 10 in a 10 game tournamenet against the bot. You have to count whenever your resign or lose.

To actually play 10 games and win 5 of them will reset your opinion of your skill with the bots. The 3 crowns distinction is completely meaningless and doesn't track your progress against bots at all.

When I started playing bots in a best of 10, I was only 70% defeating Nelson. Now I can defeat him 10 of 10. But if I play Isabel, its more like 50%. Yes, I'm still. 812 rapid and beating a 1600, but on the other hand I rarely play rapid, so who knows, based on my uscf and lichess, I'm probably more like the equivalent of 1100 on chesscom, if I were to let my elo float.

If I cared, I would play, I'm only sharing as a comparison of bot to human elo.

Frankly chesscom cannot be bothered to let people accurately track their progress against bots, for whatever reason. This is a pity, because just like having a puzzle elo having a bot elo would be a goal. I could waste a saturday and win against a 2000 bot, but it would take 100 games and would be fairly pointless. It would just prove the bot is programmed to occasionally blunder. This is why tracking your highest 3 crown as a measurement - just isn't satisfying.

Nice post!

i think martin should be 3600 because honestly, thats the only way to always know the literal worst move in the position.

As an 800 i regularly beat the advanced bots without take-backs or anything!

I’ve worked my way up through the free bots and finally played one I haven’t beaten . Nora is programmed to give her opponents an opening advantage. She eventually bleeds me of that advantage and beats me in the end game. When playing her, the site typically says my play is between the 2300 to 2450 level. That’s a huge over inflation. She’s rated at 2200, another over inflation. I haven’t seen her drop pieces, so playing her is an overall enjoyable experience.

I can defeat bots rated 700 more than me.

Lol

Surely it wouldn’t be considered cheating to test the Elo of bots, martin, nelson etc on other accounts