What to do with your king near mid/endgame

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rolest

This is my first game. My brother who has played in the past is winning, as far as pieces go. He has only lost a two pawns and a rook. I have lost 2 bishops, 2 pawns, and a knight. I am white. It is my move. I have a King on F1, a knight on B1, a pawn on D2 and F2. A pawn of B3 and a rook on F3. A pawn on A4 and C4 and a queen on H4. And I have a pawn on G6. Would it make sense for me to move my King to H1 in the corner? My thinking is he would then only be able to attack my King from the left.
Please tell me if my thinking is correct. I apologize in advance for my lack of knowledge, but I have bought 2 books on the game and I am learning.
Thank you for your advice.

Baldr

I'm not willing to give specific advice about a game you are currently playing, and since you didn't say where his pieces were, I probably couldn't anyway.

But the general rule is that early in the game, you need to protect  your king.  In the mid-game, you still need to protect your king.  But near the end of the game, when most of the major pieces are off the board, you usually have to use your king. 

Often to help defend a pawn so it can promote.

Or so that you can take one of your oppoents pieces when he captures that pawn to stop it from promoting.

Of perhaps you need to use your king to stop your opponents pawns from promoting.

If you study basic endgames, you will find that the king is required to help with the checkmate itself.  Rook and King vs King, for instance, is a basic mate that everyone should know how to do.  Without the king helping, the rook will not be able to force mate.

In your case, since both queens are still on the board, you should probably not develop your king at this point. 

Knightvanguard

As Wilhelm Steinitz said, "The King is a fighting piece.  Use it!" This is really true in the endgame, but it is also true throughout the game.  I don't mean put him into the fight as one would the other chessmen, but it surprises me as to how many players don't use the King at all until the endgame. 

Learn about opposition.  

 


rolest

Thanks for the advice!

I have a lot to learn. This is a great site and I signed up for the Diamond Membership.

Thanks agan.

slvnfernando

When no one s there left to fight , the big boss himself to run his ass out!

Knightvanguard
slvnfernando wrote:

When no one s there left to fight , the big boss himself to run his ass out!

 


Of look for a stalemate.  That is an art all to itself.  Of which I need more practice. 

Hugh_T_Patterson

It sounds like you're talking about a transitional point in the game. During the middle game, you have a flurry of exchanges, leaving the board open to the remaining pieces. Don't think in purely mechanical terms. You need to consider two key points. One: Your king needs to be protected, especially from, long distance operators such as the Queen, Rook and Bishop. Two: You need to start getting your King into the game. Many endgames come down to the King, a major piece (such as the Queen or Rook) and a pawn or two. Your goal should be the removal of your opponents threatening pieces and boxing the enemy King in. For example, a Queen or Rook can cut a King's ability to freely move about the board if positioned correctly. I have a ton of PDF chess books (around 800) so let me know if you want me to email you a few that may help. I'm a musician and writing and am often on tour, but I'm back for the next four months, so hit me up if you want some books.

Eric_T

rolest,

Nobody mentioned it here, but one of the rules of the forum is that we do not discuss games that are in progress.  It could be considered cheating.  After the game is over, post again and I'm sure you can get lots of advice on what you could have done or should have done.

Hugh_T_Patterson

yeah eric, that's good point, which is why I kept my answer as broad based as possible.

Knightvanguard

You're correct, but at this point in the thread I had forgotten about his game and was concentrating on what to do with the King in mid/endgame in general terms.

 Perhaps you not referring to me, but I have had the forum police on me lately, and I have been innocent.  Honest!

Eric_T

No, no, I think your responses were fine, since they did not offer any advice specific to the game in question.  My comment was directed to the original poster.  I'm sure he meant well and was just not aware of this rule.

rolest

I apologize for looking like I was trying to cheat.

This was certainly not my intention.

I was just looking for the correct strategy relative to the positions that I had. Also, this is one of the reasons I didn’t put the pieces my opponents had, just what I had.

I signed up today for the Diamond Membership so that I could watch the instructional videos.

I just have a LOT to learn.

I certainly want to thank everyone for their advice.

Who knows, maybe someday with enough effort and time, I may become a Grandmaster!

Knightvanguard
uhohspaghettio wrote:

rolest, don't listen to the guy saying to use the king in the start or the middle of the game... almost NEVER do that. I bet he doesn't do it himself. Only sometimes at the end should it be used as a fighting piece.


That guy?  Which guy?  We all have site names. Please use the quote button to specify just which guy, or female, you are referring to.  Don't make rolest, or the rest of us, check back to determine just who you are referring to and what was written.  Also, that guy should have a chance to clarify his point of view.  The writer may not realize what he wrote was not clear.

You might have been referring to me, because I did quote Steinitz talking about the King being a fighting piece, but I don't believe he was referring to the King being an attacking piece.

The reason I mentioned the King being a fighting piece other than in the endgame was because I have played beginners who thought the King could not capture, especially the Queen. That is fighting, as you know, but not part of an attack that could entrap the King.  I did give the warning: I don't mean put him into the fight as one would the other chessmen. Perhaps I should have said into attacks as one would other chessmen.

uhohspaghettio, I am glad you wrote what you did, because I would not want rolest think it was okay to use the King foolishly in the opening or at any other time in the game.    

rolest

Thanks for all of the advice.

It would appear, from reading each post, the most logical use of the king would be later in the game, perhaps at endgame, and not use the king as an attack piece, unless it was justified. It would appear using the king in conjunction with another piece is probably how the king is usually used at endgame, or midgame, but not on opening the game.

Hopefully my assessment of the post is accurate.

Knightvanguard
rolest wrote:

Thanks for all of the advice.

It would appear, from reading each post, the most logical use of the king would be later in the game, perhaps at endgame, and not use the king as an attack piece, unless it was justified. It would appear using the king in conjunction with another piece is probably how the king is usually used at endgame, or midgame, but not on opening the game.

Hopefully my assessment of the post is accurate.


You are doing fine.  Nothing, however, is better than study and analyzing your own games.  Advice from others is good to a point, but understanding how to use the King takes time and study and losing.

I enjoy playing the endgame, because it is the most challenging to me.  For the most part of my early chess playing few games made it to the difficult endgame play, because my opponents nor I did not know that much about chess.  

Knightvanguard

"With every step nearer the endgame the power of the King increases. You should throw him without fear for his safety where the battle is thickest."

-- Nimzovitch


Knightvanguard

The king, which during the opening and middlegame stage is often a burden because it has to be defended, becomes in the endgame a very important and aggressive piece, and the beginner should realize this, and utilize his king as much as possible.  -  Jose Capablanca


oinquarki

It's not so much a matter of phases of the game as it is of whether or not the king is safe.

In endgames with queens, for example, you should still keep the king safe so that the opponent can't take advantage of checks.

On the opposite side, there was this one game where IM David Pruess brought his king all the way out to the middle of the board in the opening, but he was still safe and playing a useful role in the game.

Don't just blindly follow principles; asses the position and act accordingly.

Knightvanguard
oinquarki wrote:

It's not so much a matter of phases of the game as it is of whether or not the king is safe.

In endgames with queens, for example, you should still keep the king safe so that the opponent can't take advantage of checks.

On the opposite side, there was this one game where IM David Pruess brought his king all the way out to the middle of the board in the opening, but he was still safe and playing a useful role in the game.

Don't just blindly follow principles; asses the position and act accordingly.


 I agree. Principles or rules of thumb should never be followed as though they are written in stone. However, rules of thumb often give a player some guidelines to think about.


 

Knightvanguard

Check out this game where the White Queen is trapped by the Black King!

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-analysis/queen-trapped-by-the-king