Paul Morphy, like all champions, would probably have adapted to modern training methods, he would be a champion in any erea.
What was paul morphys rating. What would his rating be now
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No one dominated chess more than Morphy did in his day. His greatness is proven in his ability to play chess in a way modern players can admire and admit, without all the books and computer software to enhance what ever ability they had of their own out there today that masters since Kasparov onward have had available to them, every one of them would not beat him with just their pure talent. This is why chess is different today, from Steinitz to Fischer, you had your brains and your wits to rely on and games of the past masters not machines. Fans of chess should look at and employ really old lines of chess openings in club and tournament chess and see their opponents scratch their heads and lose.
Jan 16, 2024
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I saw an article once in which his rating was calculated to be about 2400. However, his best opponents were about 2000 so he was crushing everybody.
Jan 16, 2024
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#47
No one Morphy played had an elo rating. None of his opponents ever played someone with an elo rating. No one who played someone who played anyone who played any of Morphy's opponents ever had an elo rating. Ratings were not invented until a century after Morphy retired.
Any "estimate" of Morphy's strength or that of his opponents is guesswork. Maybe we could go by Fischer's conclusion that Morphy was the greatest player ever and give him a provisional rating around 2750?
Jan 16, 2024
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#48
If Morphy were brought forward into our modern world, and then given enough time and resources to familiarize himself with 170 years of developments in chess theory, and with modern opening lines...
... then I would expect him to reach GM rank, perhaps even Super-GM (although that's debatable). But without that necessary catch-up period, Morphy would get creamed by any modern GM, and by many IMs.
Morphy saw chess as a hobby, not as a life-defining profession. After his tour of Europe he pretty much only played very casual games in private because he didn't want to be known only for chess. I don't think he would consider the years of hard study required to become an IM or GM as worth doing.
Feb 17, 2024
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#50
When I said Morphy was like a 1800 FIDE player, I meant that if he was teleported into modern era and didn't get a chance to use modern tools or study, he would get creamed. CAPS rating est. isnt that accurate considering he had very high accuracy against low rated opponents (correct me if that isnt how CAPS works)
Feb 17, 2024
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#52
11mik wrote:
DaddyReza wrote:
Obviously Morphy was an elite chess player, if he was born alongside Carlsen etc , he would surely be a Super GM at least. But saying that he could see 20-30 moves ahead is also wrong, because no human can.
Magnus has famously stated he could see 100 moves ahead if given the time.
If the opponent's reply is FORCED, with no possible alternative that does not lead to disaster, then sure, he can look ahead as far as time allows.
But if the opponent has even a choice between TWO moves at each point (instead of the reply being absolutely forced) then Carlsen would have to calculate TWO lines at move 1, FOUR lines (not four moves, remember... four complete VARIATIONS) at move 2, EIGHT seperate lines at move 3... all the way up to 1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376 lines at move 100.
That's not 1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376 moves, remember... it's 1,267,650,600,228,229,401,496,703,205,376 complete 100-move-long variations.
... and you can believe as much of THAT as you like.
He could have been a 2700+ player, if, he had theoretical knowledge, he would have been better than nepo
Seeing 20 to 30 moves into the future is possible,not like DaddyReza said,because even Magnus saw 30 moves into the future against a grandmaster and he saw that the match will be a forced draw and it worked out perfectly like he thought so.With this evidence i can say that even Paul Murphy could've seen 20 to 30 moves into the future and he probably is even better than Magnus today.
At my best (quite a few years ago) I was rated 2100 USCF. Having examined some of Morphy's games I can assure you that I would be utterly crushed every time.