the forums seem a dead loss now, looks like one person pulling the strings on numerous accounts at the moment, tied to the gymnast. on top of that it's a challenge to find someone to play chess with that is brave enough to play their own moves.
what will chess.com be like in the future; an omimous warning about trolling
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The_Chin_Of_Quinn wrote:
Whip_Kitten wrote:
90% of the trolling on here is done by 2-4 people who create a bajillion accounts so they can misbehave with impunity. Fingerprint some computers and block them, no.
What do you mean by fingerprint a computer?
IP address, Quinn.
a unique string of numbers separated by periods that identifies each computer using the Internet Protocol to communicate over a network.
Many many members of C.C pay for memberships BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HELP ERIK KEEP THIS SITE ALIVE AND WELL.
But all you lame aholes who think this should be a free site (which it still is for many of us); why don't you start your own chess website?
Perhaps then you will see what is required to keep alive this sort of active, live website with one-on-one interaction GLOBALLY with other players in real time.
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shellman211 wrote:
Many many members of C.C pay for memberships BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HELP ERIK KEEP THIS SITE ALIVE AND WELL.
But all you lame aholes who think this should be a free site (which it still is for many of us); why don't you start your own chess website?
Perhaps then you will see what is required to keep alive this sort of active, live website with one-on-one interaction GLOBALLY with other players in real time.
EXACTLY.
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The Sacred Swedish dots for when a Swede has nothing to say at all!
Huh?
Mar 30, 2017
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shellman211 wrote:
The_Chin_Of_Quinn wrote:
Whip_Kitten wrote:
90% of the trolling on here is done by 2-4 people who create a bajillion accounts so they can misbehave with impunity. Fingerprint some computers and block them, no.
What do you mean by fingerprint a computer?
IP address, Quinn.
a unique string of numbers separated by periods that identifies each computer using the Internet Protocol to communicate over a network.
IP address bans don't work for lots of reasons. I was hoping "fingerprinting" was something a lot better. Guess not.
Mar 30, 2017
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GodsPawn2016 wrote:
Opening multiple accounts and just letting them sit for a certain period of time get closed.
I understand that the credit card is not an option. Being compared to ICC is not a bad thing.
Lomg games that are required to be played out, not abandoned, or resigned after 2 moves.
We cant get the rules to be followed now, so i dont see how adding more moderators is going to help.
That would work. You risk pissing off normal people who don't understand though. They open their account then one day it's closed and they don't know why. What does "played out" mean? 20 moves? 30? Will you not count games that were resigned?
ICC is fine, but I'm sure it doesn't make nearly as much money 
Also if you want to model your site after ICC, then ICC becomes your biggest competition, and it's well established so... makes it hard to grow I imagine.
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shellman211 wrote:
But all you lame aholes who think this should be a free site
No one said that.
shellman211 wrote:
Perhaps then you will see what is required to keep alive this sort of active, live website with one-on-one interaction GLOBALLY with other players in real time.
A few thousand dollars for a server, and a few programmers on the payroll?
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The_Chin_Of_Quinn wrote:
shellman211 wrote:
But all you lame aholes who think this should be a free site
No one said that.
shellman211 wrote:
Perhaps then you will see what is required to keep alive this sort of active, live website with one-on-one interaction GLOBALLY with other players in real time.
A few thousand dollars for a server, and a few programmers on the payroll?
Multiple servers, some kind of load balancing/distributed computing for performance, and 40+ staff for chess.com. For a site this size, you would likely need similar numbers. I don't know how content is paid for but that is an additional cost if not done by staff.
I would bet the infrastructure costs are significant, then you add on staff and content ....
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Multiple servers, some kind of load balancing/distributed computing for performance,
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So you doubt that they use load balancing on their databases and application servers? Actually without load balancing such huge amount of user interaction is not working at all.
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CookedQueen wrote:
Martin_Stahl wrote:
Multiple servers, some kind of load balancing/distributed computing for performance,
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So you doubt that they use load balancing on their databases and application servers? Actually without load balancing such huge amount of user interaction is not working at all.
I do think that some kind of load balancing is being done. I know some stuff is hosted on a CDN and I know some components are hosted on AWS too. How much exactly, I couldn't tell you.
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badenwurtca wrote:
shellman211 wrote:
Many many members of C.C pay for memberships BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HELP ERIK KEEP THIS SITE ALIVE AND WELL.
But all you lame aholes who think this should be a free site (which it still is for many of us); why don't you start your own chess website?
Perhaps then you will see what is required to keep alive this sort of active, live website with one-on-one interaction GLOBALLY with other players in real time.
--- There are some good points in this post. As we go thru life we do bump into a number of " Negative People ". Some people do lean towards being negative and may even enjoy getting others upset. Of course while being on the internet anyone can act like an ill-mannered moron as nobody can get at them for a serious chat ( or for any other remedial action lol ).
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Martin_Stahl wrote:
The_Chin_Of_Quinn wrote:
shellman211 wrote:
But all you lame aholes who think this should be a free site
No one said that.
shellman211 wrote:
Perhaps then you will see what is required to keep alive this sort of active, live website with one-on-one interaction GLOBALLY with other players in real time.
A few thousand dollars for a server, and a few programmers on the payroll?
Multiple servers, some kind of load balancing/distributed computing for performance, and 40+ staff for chess.com. For a site this size, you would likely need similar numbers. I don't know how content is paid for but that is an additional cost if not done by staff.
I would bet the infrastructure costs are significant, then you add on staff and content ....
I meant for just a small basic site. Yeah, I guess that guy was saying "what it takes to do something like chess.com" so that's my bad.
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Whip_Kitten wrote:
The_Chin_Of_Quinn wrote:
shellman211 wrote:
The_Chin_Of_Quinn wrote:
Whip_Kitten wrote:
90% of the trolling on here is done by 2-4 people who create a bajillion accounts so they can misbehave with impunity. Fingerprint some computers and block them, no.
What do you mean by fingerprint a computer?
IP address, Quinn.
a unique string of numbers separated by periods that identifies each computer using the Internet Protocol to communicate over a network.
IP address bans don't work for lots of reasons. I was hoping "fingerprinting" was something a lot better. Guess not.
Fingerprinting actually does get around the ip address problems. It works something like this: https://panopticlick.eff.org/
Interesting. I'm not sue how paranoid I should be of this stuff.
Well 2Q's been muted, and rumor has it that Staff is looking for a few other people.
Exit, stage left.
A thief is robbing house in your neighborhood, the police don't arrest him, instead they tell you just ignore him, he will go away. We need the thief, he generates income for security equipment, locksmiths, law enforcement, jails, etc.
Yea...I have issues with this "Let everyone do what they want" mentality. It doesnt work, just look at our society. "As long as im not hurting anyone, its ok" doesnt work either.
If allowing people to rob from your home were socially and economically feasible, then it would be allowed... but that example is a little ridiculous. And I don't know who is suggesting to let people do whatever they want. It's simple cost benefit analysis. Humans naturally use anonymous situations to vent other life frustrations, so it's impractical to stop trolling completely. You set some bare minimum standards, and hire a staff big enough to enforce it.
No one is suggesting you can completely stop online stupidity. But at least put something in place to help reduce it. New accounts get a 7 day ban on posting. Require a credit card to sign up ( i know...never gonna happen.) No posting in the forums except for Help and Support until you have played a set number of long time control games.
People seem eager to suggest a wait period before posting, but that doesn't help. Trolls can simply open accounts in batches to avoid the wait period. When one account is banned, they can log in with their next one, which has been waiting for weeks, months, or even years.
Credit card to sign up is fine. It might reduce playing members from #1 most popular site to not even in the top 10, but certainly the small group you have left would be serious. I imagine this would make it very similar to ICC and possibly to the ICC forums.
Long games also does not help. That just encourages trolls to abort (or play some minimum number of moves then resign) to meet their quota. Meanwhile you require honest people to play time controls they may have no interest in playing, including beginners who may want to ask questions immediately.
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The best remedy is fast and consistent moderating. No matter how many accounts they open, or what nonsense they post, if it's quickly deleted then they get no attention. You've removed their incentive to misbehave.
Opening multiple accounts and just letting them sit for a certain period of time get closed.
I understand that the credit card is not an option. Being compared to ICC is not a bad thing.
Lomg games that are required to be played out, not abandoned, or resigned after 2 moves.
We cant get the rules to be followed now, so i dont see how adding more moderators is going to help.