Why such disdain for players below 2300? They are chess artists too. I've seen 1100's on this site play beautiful games, sure with more mistakes, but I can't help but appreciate their attemps at victory. Every chess player is a hero, an artist, and if he goes over his games using fritz, a scientist.
If I wasn't sure of it before I am now, this guy is trolling all of you and doing it pretty well I have to say hahaha
I don't think Magikstone is trolling. I think he is so stupid he believes he could beat GMS if they gave him knight odds. He is sincere in his delusions.
I don't know I still think this sentence gave the game away...
"Every chess player is a hero, an artist, and if he goes over his games using fritz, a scientist."
...but this is the internet and I suppose it's possible that he really believes that lol
Why such disdain for players below 2300? They are chess artists too. I've seen 1100's on this site play beautiful games, sure with more mistakes, but I can't help but appreciate their attemps at victory. Every chess player is a hero, an artist, and if he goes over his games using fritz, a scientist.
If I wasn't sure of it before I am now, this guy is trolling all of you and doing it pretty well I have to say hahaha
+1
Yes. I believe that chess is more than a game. It is a worthwhile pursuit. If every person in this world were to love this game, there would be no crimes. Countries would go to war with one another on the board, not using tanks. If it's just a game too you, I can't expect you to comprehend my thoughts. No wonder you guys worship the grandmasters, chess was never about them, it is about everyone with the intellectual capacity to understand why it's such a great game, and why trying to improve at it is a worthwhile hobby. We are heroes ladies and gentlemen, I'm sure it's hard to be proud to be a chess player, it's not something I would boast about in public, but I am sure very grateful that I was taught this game. Imagine how many people never had someone to teach them. If I didn't have chess in my life, who knows how I would have copped with life's hardships. Because at the end of the day, I enjoy my battles over the board, even if they are against "weak" 1600's. Well those guys give incredible battles. Any lower and I don't feel the struggle. Any higher and it gets hard to even win a game.
LOL PROBABLY TOP RATING WOUlD BE 801 ROUGHLY
Why such disdain for players below 2300?
It is not disdain. Out of respect for their (our) humanity, we must be honest about their skills.
I just left a simul in progress where John Donaldson, a mere IM (only two of three GM norms), was taking on several of the best players in my city, as well as a few from out of town and some talented children. Thirty minutes into the event, White (Donaldson) seemed to be doing very well on all boards.
Donaldson's a very nice guy btw. Heads up the Mechanics Institute in SF (where I used to go pretty often).
Yes, he is. He comes to Spokane once a year, gives a lecture and simul, then plays in our Dave Collyer Memorial tournament, which he usually wins. Dave's son, Curt Collyer, beat him one year.
He was friends with Dave Collyer when they were both at the Tacoma Chess Club in the 1970s.
Donaldson's a very nice guy btw. Heads up the Mechanics Institute in SF (where I used to go pretty often).
Yes, he is. He comes to Spokane once a year, gives a lecture and simul, then plays in our Dave Collyer Memorial tournament, which he usually wins. Dave's son, Curt Collyer, beat him one year.
He was friends with Dave Collyer when they were both at the Tacoma Chess Club in the 1970s.
Donaldson's a very nice guy btw. Heads up the Mechanics Institute in SF (where I used to go pretty often).
Yes, he is. He comes to Spokane once a year, gives a lecture and simul, then plays in our Dave Collyer Memorial tournament, which he usually wins. Dave's son, Curt Collyer, beat him one year.
He was friends with Dave Collyer when they were both at the Tacoma Chess Club in the 1970s.
was wondering if that meant you were part of the spokane club (seattle player here). good luck in tomorrow's tourney, wish I could have made it over.
Thanks.
Yes. I'm part of the Spokane Chess Club. I was president 2009-2010.
I always look forward to the Collyer. Some Montana friends come over to play, and we usually draw folks from western Washington, Oregon, and Idaho, too. Most years I perform well enough for an increase in rating. I went 0-5 in 1998 and placed last (I was a low C player going into that event, whiched dropped me into D--the only time I've been there). In the past few years, I've had two or three without a loss. I had four draws and my third round bye once. In 2012, I had four wins and my third round bye, placing me second behind Donaldson's 5-0.
"A Grandmaster is not a magician, he's just another guy who develops his pieces and hopes for his opponent to make a mistake."
True and false. A GM is certainly not a magician but their chess understanding goes far beyond just waiting for an opponent to make a mistake. Any player who doesn't realize that probably has minimal chances of beating one even at N odds.
Also with N odds, trading pieces can be a good strategy but only with an exchange with advantage. An exchange with disadvantage even w/odds once might not be fatal but twice, probably inflicting at least a two tempo loss (if not material loss), is probably worth the N already. A player not realizing that may also have minimal chances of beating a GM though with odds.
Lol. Why don't you guys try it. If you're above 2200, go find a 1700 rated player, (the reason being that a 1600 blitz chess.com member is probably worth 1700 uscf) yes, go play a 1700 uscf a whole knight down, any knight, be white if it makes you feel better, and go see for yourself how "easy" it is to win with such a handicap. A grandmaster can beat a lesser player if he had a time disadvantage, but a knight or bishop is one hec of a piece to be without from the start. Go ahead try it. And if you're a 1700 USCF, play a higher rated opponent with that person a knight down, be confident, and don't be surprised if you win.
Elo isn't a measure of playing strength, it's a measure of how well a player performs against his or her contempraries. If you time travelled and brought those old players to now they would get slaughtered because of all the terrible gaps in their chess knowledge. 2200 players now would have good chances against anyone from before the last hundred years. So those old players would end up in the 2000-2200 range.
@Reb - is that an indication of how fans would feel watching Morphy fail against at 2150? I guess so.
I dont believe I would have a chance against Morphy , or Capablanca , or Lasker .... Fischer didnt believe such crap either , do you think you know more about chess and chess players than Fischer did ? LOL
Last issue of magazine "Peón de rey" (King's pawn) includes a short tale by his director GM Miguel Illescas, about an alien coming to Earth in 2250 to challenge the best human player. Scientists make clones of Fischer, Kasparov and Carlsen, and also are complaining: "unfortunately there isn't any ADN of Morphy available..."
@Reb - It's not about knowing more than Fischer, it's about being more honest than Fischer. Fischer knew perfectly well that he would have destroyed Morphy consistently. He'd have won every game. Not only that, but any Grandmaster in Fischer's time would have destroyed Morphy. Fischer wanted to perpetuate the myth of Morphy's greatness for his own ends. Are you so naive that you believe anything that Fischer said?
Sure every chess player deserves respect, but still you must realize there's a huge gap between amateur and master level, let alone players like Morphy.