what’s the average IQ of a regular chess player

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AlCzervik

i have an incredibly high iq. while i suck at chess, i'm great at bs. in fact, i have a bs in bs.

(just don't ask what school)

Ziryab

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Nepotamy
27hamlkar wrote:
Title please help
Btw Magnus Carlsons IQ is 190

he said himself he never took an iq test

redpolitefeather
Ziryab wrote:
redpolitefeather wrote:

I am 11 My IQ is 148. I hope to reach 2500 in 1.5 years.

If your IQ is that high, you should shun chess. It is a waste of your potential.

No. I will not. It makes me happy. Also, I play 4 instruments, study a lot of math. I enjoy math very much.

redpolitefeather
B1ZMARK wrote:
redpolitefeather wrote:

I am 11 My IQ is 148. I hope to reach 2500 in 1.5 years.

good luck

It's also important to know that age plays a role in IQ, for example if you know things a 20 year old would know at age 15, you'd have a higher than average iq; However, if you're a 20 year old who knows things that 20 year olds know, you'd be average. So always keep learning

Thank you

WelcomeToChinaTown
Ziryab wrote:
WelcomeToChinaTown wrote:

Both shakira and Mily Cyrus have high IQ's Shakira is around 140, Sylvester Stallone is 160 the one reason he didn't split the atom was because no one could understand him when he talked. Makes me wonder if it really matters that much, emotional quotient may possibly help chess skill, you would be less prone to tilt because of acute self awareness and in general people with high EQ are more successful and less introverted then their counter-parts

An internet search for documentation of these claims turns up no credible sources. Rather you have multiple sources claiming there are multiple sources. They are self-referential. More than likely the lists they produce contain mostly people who never took an IQ test.

There is a long history of estimating the IQ of people who excel in certain spheres: chess, drama, languages, politics. Obviously they have some talents. These talents lead to estimates, often grossly absurd estimates.

Garry Kasparov as the strongest chess player who ever lived, reputedly, leading people to assert that he has an IQ of 160 or 180. Then, he took an actual test, sponsored by Der Spiegal. 135. Clearly above average.

Claiming Garry is the true goat is anecdotal and imo I would be surprised of even half of people believe this but if Magnus continues being Magnus for a few more years he will be more dominant than Garry in his prime. There's stats showing the improvement of players over the years with Carlen being at the top but it's also not exactly fait to compare them in a general way. A counterfactual would be comparing Lebron James to Jordan, different era's different positions, and good at different things. 
Your right I didn't do due diligence into all the claims bc I was trying to make a point but Shakira did however confirm her mensa score on Jimmy Kimmel that was also confirmed by the Huffington post. But sure it could still be nonsense. Like i was saying I was trying to make a point there's over at least a dozen IQ test that have been verified for repeatability and peer reviewed (with the exception of a confidence interval, and test bias) there's correlation between mental illness and having a high IQ, I think that IQ test generally show your speed , ability to manipulate abstract information, and academic learning as the most pronounced features. One of the puzzling things are people with average IQ's who are industrious have great success and the factors that determine this are not liked to IQ for example not procrastinating, or engaging in long term planning. Genetically speaking the axons on their neurons are often larger (high IQ people) which allow electrical signals/impulses to move faster which is consistent with my opinion mentioned above.

Thelegendary_ROOK

it depends on how much you play chess

DrSpudnik
Thelegendary_ROOK wrote:

it depends on how much you play chess

Chess will not affect your IQ.

Ziryab
WelcomeToChinaTown wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
WelcomeToChinaTown wrote:

Both shakira and Mily Cyrus have high IQ's Shakira is around 140, Sylvester Stallone is 160 the one reason he didn't split the atom was because no one could understand him when he talked. Makes me wonder if it really matters that much, emotional quotient may possibly help chess skill, you would be less prone to tilt because of acute self awareness and in general people with high EQ are more successful and less introverted then their counter-parts

An internet search for documentation of these claims turns up no credible sources. Rather you have multiple sources claiming there are multiple sources. They are self-referential. More than likely the lists they produce contain mostly people who never took an IQ test.

There is a long history of estimating the IQ of people who excel in certain spheres: chess, drama, languages, politics. Obviously they have some talents. These talents lead to estimates, often grossly absurd estimates.

Garry Kasparov as the strongest chess player who ever lived, reputedly, leading people to assert that he has an IQ of 160 or 180. Then, he took an actual test, sponsored by Der Spiegal. 135. Clearly above average.

Claiming Garry is the true goat is anecdotal and imo I would be surprised of even half of people believe this but if Magnus continues being Magnus for a few more years he will be more dominant than Garry in his prime. There's stats showing the improvement of players over the years with Carlen being at the top but it's also not exactly fait to compare them in a general way. A counterfactual would be comparing Lebron James to Jordan, different era's different positions, and good at different things. 
Your right I didn't do due diligence into all the claims bc I was trying to make a point but Shakira did however confirm her mensa score on Jimmy Kimmel that was also confirmed by the Huffington post. But sure it could still be nonsense. Like i was saying I was trying to make a point there's over at least a dozen IQ test that have been verified for repeatability and peer reviewed (with the exception of a confidence interval, and test bias) there's correlation between mental illness and having a high IQ, I think that IQ test generally show your speed , ability to manipulate abstract information, and academic learning as the most pronounced features. One of the puzzling things are people with average IQ's who are industrious have great success and the factors that determine this are not liked to IQ for example not procrastinating, or engaging in long term planning. Genetically speaking the axons on their neurons are often larger (high IQ people) which allow electrical signals/impulses to move faster which is consistent with my opinion mentioned above.

Garry Kasparov as the GOAT is debatable.. Hence the word “reputedly”, used consciously and deliberately. It is worth noting that the estimate and logic are from before young Magnus was born.

Every grift has some truth as part of the presentation. It wouldn’t be surprising if a few of the scores claimed on these websites are fully verifiable. But, you can be certain some of them are unreliable estimates like that for Kasparov.

ZenChess210

It depends on the player itself, does he/she study chess a lot, does he/she rarely play on Chess.com? I am confused on what do you mean "Normal Player."

ZenChess210

Also i never took a chess iq test but i took one online my iq somewhere around 110- 126

strongkiddo
My IQ is officially tested to be 147
strongkiddo
Still I am average at chess
ZenChess210

noice

WelcomeToChinaTown

which test did you take online? post your result bc pretty much most members are claiming , IQ test are so weird one question was you have a minute to read a page of size 12 times new roman of random strings of letters with spaces in between not words just random letters and count how many T's, U's and N's there are, and other one "she _ _ _ and _ _ _ the beast home" 30 seconds to answer both 3 letter words have the same letters but are different words i'm proud of myself for getting this one gut and tug! I took a sample one online late last night but as a teenager i was tested bc i was classified with ADHD and I took the WISC-R and the Raven Matrices I recall doing well on those that one. WISC is Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale that's quite comprehensive but this is one of the best per reviewed tests. The raw score is converted into a normal probability distribution with a mean of 100 so the standard deviation is 15 so if you even above 130 thats puts you in 2 percent of the population and 140 would be maybe around half a percent which is interesting considering how many outlier geniuses there are here. not suspicious I'm not throwing shade just interesting is all being 2 or 3 standard deviations above the mean at 98 or 99.9 percent is amazing. One of the interesting statistical effects that's not an anomaly is the flynn effect when IQ has been increasing since the 1930's 3 points per decade but now since around 2000 it's decreasing and noone knows exactly why exposure to screens and monitors, mal/poor nutrition folks not wearing bike helmets, bad pop music. WE need to bring eugenics back online, germline engineering and hop into crisper machines but do it right THIS time. Without the master race, political agenda's, worrying about inequality, or tell ugly folks they cant make babies.

Oh the thing about the logic of Magnus of being not being concieved is kind of difficult to deduce like I'm the best (if every1 else was dead) sorry kinda a mordant metaphor but yea I agree Garry one of the greatest the greatest of his time and has a terrible personality but thats not totally uncommon when it comes to the greats. The time he made a losing move against Judit Polgar then took it back when Judit was a kid is a classic story I think Nakamura was there as well another one with a notorious demenor there's a story told by Finegold that he punched a kid in the face at the world youth championship haha priceless who gets into a fist fight at a prestigious chess event I would love to have seen that. Sorry for rambling but the guy above a few post up says his IQ is 172! wow Mensa is 98th percentile so if the median is 100 that means the score is around 130 for membership so this guy is in the 99th percentile amazing I mean what are the odds. Im scared to take the test again bc im not just alot older but i've been suffering with anemia ranging from 6-9 lowest recorded blood draw was 5.4 which mean your almost dead requiring 2 transfusion's and the normal range is 13-17. I've been dealing with this since at least July the etiology is still unknown got the paper work to prove it it's confounding and it severely compromises my cognitive function, lucidity, neural damage and long term tachycardia issues so ya im probably mentally disabled 2-4 days a week

Ziryab

The last IQ test I took online, I took twice. I was able to demonstrate by the two takings that the available range of scores as 65-135. In the first instance, I solved every problem incorrectly. 65! Beat that! Second time through, I chose the correct answers, which were not difficult.

The test had been advertising on Facebook, telling users their friends’ scores. My sister-in-law was bragging that she scored higher than me. That was before I took the test. My representative in Congress was listed at 120. I’m sure she did not take the test. Also, having talked with her at a community luncheon while she was a state representative several years earlier, I believed her IQ was not that high. I felt compelled to learn more about this test.

It was obvious garbage. It was like Mafia Wars and Slotomania and that farm game, using Facebook to gather personal data.

Ziryab

The folks who designed the WISC-R developed it for the battery of scores. They offer the single IQ to meet consumer demand, but do not consider that a serious test score. Please read Scott Barry Kaufman, Ungifted: Intelligence Redefined, which offers an excellent history of intelligence testing. https://scottbarrykaufman.com/books/ungifted/

MaetsNori
27hamlkar wrote:
Title please help
Btw Magnus Carlsons IQ is 190

Carlsen has said that he's never taken an official IQ test, nor does he care to.

In my personal opinion, IQ scores are mostlly irrelevant.

Nowadays, there are other ways to assess scholarly aptitude (which is essentially what IQ tests were designed for), especially now that we understand neurodivergence better ...

I work in the education system, and nobody that I know of considers IQ testing alone to be a reliable measure of anything ... Perhaps there are some individuals who still believe in its sole merit, but I don't know of them, personally.

These days, cognitive assessments are more likely to be combined with (or part of) behavioral assessments, and the analyses and recommendations that come out of it are dependent on the individual, rather than weighted against a standardized metric ...

VenemousViper
mpaetz wrote:

The average IQ is 100, so the IQ of the average chess player is close to that. As chess has the reputation of being an intellectual game it likely has greater appeal to those with higher intelligence, so I'd guess around 110.

That's what I was thinking, well said.

Ziryab
MaetsNori wrote:
27hamlkar wrote:
Title please help
Btw Magnus Carlsons IQ is 190

Carlsen has said that he's never taken an official IQ test, nor does he care to.

In my own personal opinion, IQ scores are mostlly irrelevant.

Nowadays, there are other ways to assess scholarly aptitude (which is essentially what IQ tests were designed for), especially now that we understand neurodivergence better ...

I work in the education system, and nobody that I know of considers IQ testing alone to be a reliable measure of anything ... Perhaps there are some individuals who still believe in its sole merit, but I don't know of them, personally.

These days, cognitive assessments are more likely to be combined with (or part of) behavioral assessments, and the analyses and recommendations that come out of it are dependent on the individual, rather than weighted against a standardized metric ...

I’ve worked in education since the mid-1980s. In higher education, no one considers IQ measures of any value. At lower levels, where teachers and administrators are less well-educated, some do.