what’s the average IQ of a regular chess player

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A person can be borderline retarded and a master strength chess player, I have seen a living example and met him in real life, another may be almost genius as per Mensa IQ scores and a very poor player hell bent on playing double fianchettos all the time , yes I have known that person too

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Ziryab wrote:
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Deadmanparty wrote:

Likely the IQ of an average chess player is about the same as a college graduate, around 115.

Likely lower. Most college graduates have passed tests. Most chess players are below average in chess skill.

If most are “below average” then what does “average” even mean?

Good question.

As 1200 is the top end of “beginner”, an average rating 400 points below that must be deemed below average. I’m using average in the sense that a C grade was considered average (that was in the 1960s when I was a child—today B+ seems to be the average grade handed out). An 800 rating (the average on this site) is a D grade.

Reading the forums here adds further evidence that the average chessdotcom member is not very bright. Bad spelling, grammar, syntax, is understandable when people are writing in their second, third, and fourth language. But the worst writing here stems from those flying the flags of countries where English is the dominant language.

Ah, you mean subpar as “below a certain standard.”

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Based on Google (Which might not have pulled up the most accurate source) The average IQ of a strong Grandmaster is around 160. I apoligize if this imformation is incorrect or misleading

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sniperoyal wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
sniperoyal wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
Deadmanparty wrote:

Likely the IQ of an average chess player is about the same as a college graduate, around 115.

Likely lower. Most college graduates have passed tests. Most chess players are below average in chess skill.

If most are “below average” then what does “average” even mean?

Good question.

As 1200 is the top end of “beginner”, an average rating 400 points below that must be deemed below average. I’m using average in the sense that a C grade was considered average (that was in the 1960s when I was a child—today B+ seems to be the average grade handed out). An 800 rating (the average on this site) is a D grade.

Reading the forums here adds further evidence that the average chessdotcom member is not very bright. Bad spelling, grammar, syntax, is understandable when people are writing in their second, third, and fourth language. But the worst writing here stems from those flying the flags of countries where English is the dominant language.

Ah, you mean subpar as “below a certain standard.”

Subpar expresses my meaning well for the small percentage of readers here who can understand the term. 

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Authoroftheboard wrote:

Based on Google (Which might not be the most accurate source) The average IQ of a strong Grandmaster is around 160. Otherwise I have literally no idea.

Google searches the web. It does not create the information. It is pointing you to a site. That site quite clearly is not credible.

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Most chess players will have an IQ of around 95. Average. But the masters will have higher IQ. Why? Because the have better cognitive abilities and performance. My online ratings aren’t the very best. I took an IQ test at a IQ testing center. 3 hour test, in person, with a neurologist instructing the test. One on one. Months later, I received my score- 147 with a differential of 15. So, my average is 147, going up 15 or down 15 within each subtest. Now, looking at these results, it is obvious, and please do not take this the wrong way, that I am an intelligent person. But the question remains- how does this correlate to chess? This is a bit complicated. I show to have a very good score on cognitive tests. But, my rapid rating is only ~430. Why is like this? This is where it starts to get blurry. How can someone with a very high IQ score have only a 430 in rapid? Firstly, these ratings are not always correct as sometimes people sandbag or purposely lower their rating. Also, some people may say they’re beginner when really an intermediate or such. Unless this is USCF or FIDE ratings, I do not place much faith in the numbers. I know a person who scored 129 on an IQ test. That is still a very good score. But, his rating is almost twice my rapid and plays at the same rate of games per day. This leads me to think that either- 1) I do not try hard at chess or 2) IQ has no correlation to chess. I am not a master of this topic and do not have a PHD in chess and IQ correlation. All I know is that IQ does not always impact your chess game. I’d like to hear from some others on their hypothesis. 

Just want to bring this back around- any other hypothesis from y’all? I have twenty bucks that it doesn’t impact chess in a major way, as per some examples of people who are mentally disabled yet are strong in chess. I feel that it it the way you see the board compared to how you use the board.

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Ziryab wrote:

Reading the forums here adds further evidence that the average chessdotcom member is not very bright. Bad spelling, grammar, syntax, is understandable when people are writing in their second, third, and fourth language. But the worst writing here stems from those flying the flags of countries where English is the dominant language.

This might be less about IQ, and more about modern society.

These days, it seems "uncool" (or whatever the modern terminology is) to appear educated. It has become synonymous with "nerdy".

I know a few adolescents who purposely avoid studying and completing their school assignments, because they don't want to be seen as the geeky kids in class.

They'd rather get poor grades (and learn less) than risk damaging their reputations ...

"These days" sure is a long time since I could tell same thing about 90's - 00's. And giving the popculture trend when it became hip to be nerdy around middle 00's when Big Bang Theory (and now everybody hate it and never actually liked it) as well as Marvel and super heroes became extremely popular. Are we back at it again with "yuck, nerds"?

For lack of correct grammar and language use overall, it probably easier to explain with faster and less formal communication channels. Was already seen with mobile and sms, chats and game chats where ppl uzd smpl n shrt lang. The effect could be noticed in both kids as well as some adults who suddenly filled facebook with wicked awful sentences and smilies. If people are lazy and mostly consume text of low quality, they will produce same or worse results.

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Authoroftheboard wrote:

Based on Google (Which might not be the most accurate source) The average IQ of a strong Grandmaster is around 160. Otherwise I have literally no idea.

Google searches the web. It does not create the information. It is pointing you to a site. That site quite clearly is not credible.

Sorry for another off topic but I have noticed that some people, even kids who are supposed to be "digital nomads", actually think that google results is a source. They could link a print screen of search results and the summary or excerpt which are shown and just cannot understand that that is not a source.

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Ziryab wrote:
Authoroftheboard wrote:

Based on Google (Which might not be the most accurate source) The average IQ of a strong Grandmaster is around 160. Otherwise I have literally no idea.

Google searches the web. It does not create the information. It is pointing you to a site. That site quite clearly is not credible.

You are such the expert, in your own mind...

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132J wrote:
132J wrote:

Most chess players will have an IQ of around 95. Average. But the masters will have higher IQ. Why? Because the have better cognitive abilities and performance. My online ratings aren’t the very best. I took an IQ test at a IQ testing center. 3 hour test, in person, with a neurologist instructing the test. One on one. Months later, I received my score- 147 with a differential of 15. So, my average is 147, going up 15 or down 15 within each subtest. Now, looking at these results, it is obvious, and please do not take this the wrong way, that I am an intelligent person. But the question remains- how does this correlate to chess? This is a bit complicated. I show to have a very good score on cognitive tests. But, my rapid rating is only ~430. Why is like this? This is where it starts to get blurry. How can someone with a very high IQ score have only a 430 in rapid? Firstly, these ratings are not always correct as sometimes people sandbag or purposely lower their rating. Also, some people may say they’re beginner when really an intermediate or such. Unless this is USCF or FIDE ratings, I do not place much faith in the numbers. I know a person who scored 129 on an IQ test. That is still a very good score. But, his rating is almost twice my rapid and plays at the same rate of games per day. This leads me to think that either- 1) I do not try hard at chess or 2) IQ has no correlation to chess. I am not a master of this topic and do not have a PHD in chess and IQ correlation. All I know is that IQ does not always impact your chess game. I’d like to hear from some others on their hypothesis. 

Just want to bring this back around- any other hypothesis from y’all? I have twenty bucks that it doesn’t impact chess in a major way, as per some examples of people who are mentally disabled yet are strong in chess. I feel that it it the way you see the board compared to how you use the board.

Which mentally disabled strong chess player are you talking about?  Would like to look up this person.  Please provide the name.

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So Bobby Fischer is your example of a low IQ person who was good at chess?

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I asked for a strong chess player with low mental.abilities.  You obviously lack such an example so revert to changing the subject.  This is not the first time you have used this technique to avoid answering a question.

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So Bobby Fischer is your example of a low IQ person who was good at chess?

Bobby Fischer was a genius.

"In 1958, when Fischer sat a Stanford-Binet test at the age of 15, his score was 180-187. But in today's terms, Bobby Fischer's IQ should be 148-155 on the Fifth edition of the Stanford-Binet test, and 150-160 on the WISC-V/WAIS-IV tests administered by Mensa."

Even by "today's standards" whatever that's supposed to mean, he was a genius.

He died shortly after doing what Kanye did. You know what I'm talking about. That's why anyone has demonized him.

Fail. You are quoting an assertion from Quora by a poster there who has not weighed the evidence presented by Frank Brady, and has added details never expressed by Brady. 

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2014/07/13/truth/

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Title please help
Btw Magnus Carlsons IQ is 190


Nope. He’s never taken a test. Estimates based on his chess skill are rooted in questionable assumptions—essentially estimates of other players’ IQs based on the same assumptions. If you are smart, chances are you don’t play much chess.

Average chess player IQ is 95.

I looked it up it says his it is 190

In other words, you believe something that you read on the internet without any assessment of the quality of that information.

 

 

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In general, very low.

I propose a different intelligence test:

Just see the monkeylike gesture of some top players.

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Nobody of high intelligence actually gets IQ testing anymore, short of applying for Mensa. In schools only kids who might be special Ed get tested.

When IQ testing was done wide spread, the results were not exactly what people wanted to see.

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chessuser999 escribió:

If you think Bobby Fischer was low IQ, then you are low IQ yourself.

i admire Fischer and I think his intelligent was low.

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Deadmanparty escribió:

Nobody of high intelligence actually gets IQ testing anymore, short of applying for Mensa. In schools only kids who might be special Ed get tested.

When IQ testing was done wide spread, the results were not exactly what people wanted to see.

i agree. the IQ test tells very little about many aspects from real intelligence.