A useful or better thread topic would be: What are the applications of math in chess Theory?
What's the relation between chess and math?
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kindaspongey wrote:
Daniel-Madison wrote:
... one thing that GM's look at is the /statistical/ performance of opening variations, and stats is obviously math related. It even has Calculus.
Think there are many chess books with a chapter on statistics or calculus?
Did you read post 10? Do you agree?
"Chess and math: lines, parallel lines(ranks, files, diagonals), numbers(move options), squares(center), octagons(knights in center), permutations(combinations)..... These sound familiar ofcourse." - joseph1000000 (#10)
joseph1000000 wrote:
… Did you read post 10? Do you agree?
I don't think that parallel lines, octogons, permutations, and combinations are mentioned very often in chess books. I don't think that grandmasters do much with numbers or squares that would be likely to appear in a math paper. I've tried to propose things for consideration that are somewhat related to the development of serious math skill or serious chess skill.
kindaspongey wrote:
If it was a strawman 3 pages ago when you started with this bs, it's still a strawman now. You are conflating two different things. You have changed the argument from chess involving mathematical thinking to chess specifically involving math subjects. No one in this entire thread has said that. You continuing to make a point that no one is contesting is not contributing to discussion, it's being facetious.
Daniel-Madison wrote:
... one thing that GM's look at is the /statistical/ performance of opening variations, and stats is obviously math related. It even has Calculus.
Think there are many chess books with a chapter on statistics or calculus?
Lord-Of-The-Fleas wrote:
Spongebob soaks up bs from the ether.
*Likes*
Oh, and another thing.
kindaspongey wrote:
Daniel-Madison wrote:
... one thing that GM's look at is the /statistical/ performance of opening variations, and stats is obviously math related. It even has Calculus.
Think there are many chess books with a chapter on statistics or calculus?
Here I actually give you an example of a bonafide mathematical subject being applied to chess (even though again, that was never the argument), and then you shift the goal post and now require it to be in a chess-math textbook. I do believe you are being intellectually dishonest.
Daniel-Madison wrote: ...
kindaspongey wrote:
Daniel-Madison wrote:
... one thing that GM's look at is the /statistical/ performance of opening variations, and stats is obviously math related. It even has Calculus.
Think there are many chess books with a chapter on statistics or calculus?
Here I actually give you an example of a bonafide mathematical subject being applied to chess (even though again, that was never the argument), and then you shift the goal post and now require it to be in a chess-math textbook. I do believe you are being intellectually dishonest.
All along, I've been trying to consider whether or not various things are somewhat related to the development of serious math skill and serious chess skill. When have I ever told anyone where their goal post is?
Daniel-Madison wrote:
... You have changed the argument from chess involving mathematical thinking to chess specifically involving math subjects. No one in this entire thread has said that. You continuing to make a point that no one is contesting is not contributing to discussion, it's being facetious.
"... how exactly do [chess and math] relate to each other?" - JaneBellamy in post #1
Seems to me that, in such a discussion, it is reasonable to consider whether or not various things are somewhat related to the development of serious math skill and serious chess skill.
Daniel-Madison wrote:
kindaspongey wrote:
If it was a strawman 3 pages ago when you started with this bs, it's still a strawman now. ... Daniel-Madison wrote:
... one thing that GM's look at is the /statistical/ performance of opening variations, and stats is obviously math related. It even has Calculus.
Think there are many chess books with a chapter on statistics or calculus?
Seems to me to be a reasonable question in a discussion of "how exactly ... [chess and math] relate to each other".
I'm going to rewrite what I have previously said.
I have found that at low levels of chess play (only knowing rules), the beginners who were more experienced in mathematics played better than the ones who weren't. This could be correlation or causation, but you don't go around seeing grandmasters knowing every formula on the planet, so I would go for the former.
Mar 18, 2019
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This matter is all about logical thinking, not exactly Bhaskara. And we don't have to discuss about the link between maths and logical thinking.
What subjects do not involve logical thinking?
Mar 18, 2019
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kindaspongey wrote:
What subjects do not involve logical thinking?
You're goddamn right.
kindaspongey wrote:
What subjects do not involve logical thinking?
Psychology and Psychiatry. They centre more on persuasive spin.
No logic involved in being persuasive? What about prescriptions? Statistics?
Not much, being persuasive is about linking tenuous tenets together with lots of emotionally driven base emotions usually with cliches, from what I know from marketing.
Um you get prescriptions at your local pharmacy and statistics are part of mathematics.
MathsMaths0 wrote:
... This could be correlation or causation, ...
If quantity-A-being-higher causes quantity-B to be more likely to be higher, then there will be some correlation, but there are other possibilities that can give rise to some correlation.
wollyhood wrote:
Not much, being persuasive is about linking tenuous tenets together with lots of emotionally driven base emotions usually with cliches, from what I know from marketing. ...
Does it sometimes hurt the cause if illogic is noticed?
Think there are many chess books with a chapter on statistics or calculus?