When "Chomping On Hanging Pieces" is a TERRIBLE Idea...

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I still think chomping on hanging pieces is a good idea. I don't care how old my account is. You can't change my mind.

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chomp chomp chomp. watch me chomp. woot!! 67!!

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Monk_keyy wrote:

I still think chomping on hanging pieces is a good idea. I don't care how old my account is. You can't change my mind.

No, but it’s always funny when these brand new accounts say things like “I always thought”… sort of makes you wonder if the account is an alt for someone 😂

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chesssblackbelt a écrit :

Building up your pattern recognition to capture free material will take you past 1400. You are overestimating how much skill it takes to get past 1400.

You said earlier that we are underestimating what there is to learn but I'm overestimating how much skill it takes to get past 1400? Either I don't get your point, and I'll be glad to understand it, either you're not coherent.

Btw my last point was a joke about you judging people with a number. I'm almost 1700 Blitz, and only 1450 in rapid because I started 2 weeks ago, and I'm improving for now, and not only by chomping on hanging pieces

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nonotrocosto2011 wrote:

I don't get it, being a troll and giving Bad advice correlated, but not equivalent. We all agree that HPC is a troll right ? You can't say the opposite. Outside of this, he gives advice. Is it good or not ? Every one has an opinion on the topic, and I can see that many high rated players find it good enough to reach a certain level. I do respect this opinion, but it is surely not mine. IMO, it's the "good enough" that is the problem here for me. I didn't do the stats, and I won't do it, but it might be interesting to see how much people hang pieces at different ratings, and its influence on the result of the game. I will take my last game as an example : I lost a pawn and played poorly during the opening because I wasn't concentrated. I then was able to keep it equal by getting my bishop and knight to the center, and my rooks on open files. I'll admit I got the win because my opponent didn't see a fork (is it a hung piece then?), but still, I think chomping pieces can get you to a good rating, certainly better than what I am, but it is the basic of chess. If you can give the same advice to 600s, 1200s and 1800s, I'm sorry but it is not a good advice. People suggestede to find game plans, and positionning my pieces better, and I've suddenly won more games. Everyone can take hanging pieces, while finding tactics could be what makes you better than your opponent. Plus, "chomping on hanging pieces"is quite confusing, and it's the point of this thread, to tell people that the advice goes deeper than that. In fact, still in my last game, I won because I sacrificed my bishop which he took but he didn't see I could checkmate him. So yes we shouldn't make HPC look like a fool because he is higher rated, but a troll. His advice is confusing, and in my opinion not the best to improve.

Of course I am 1400 rapid, so my opinion doesn't matter apparently but I still wanted to share it

Agree with this 100%. Chomping on hanging pieces is not easy as it seems. Some low-rated players can't simply just spot it and you can't definitely spot it in games like bullet, unless you're very high-rated.

Judging by his last forum post, I can say he isn't the best person take advice from, because who the hell moves their king to get to 2000+ elo. He's been a troll for a long time when he supported a similar troll named Janko and wants below 1000 elo players to be off the forums.

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DoYouLikeCurry wrote:
Cold_W1nter wrote:

Sure. Except, none of those are hanging in the sense Chomper is indicating. He's completely right that you climb hundreds, I mean hundreds of points when you capture hanging pieces. It really doesn't get uncommon until 2050+. To argue against this is to say that 600's, 800's, 1000's, etc. rarely hang pieces and it won't decide most games. If that was true, than why is the single most common piece of advice to improve past the beginner stage to work on not hanging your pieces? Regardless of HangingPiecesChomper's past or opinion, it's wild to me the amount of high horses present here that just belittle others and then get mad when someone breathes a word of disagreement. Would you not agree your post has done nothing but make some individuals look like fools, and I don't mean the one you intended to make look like a fool?

What people use the forum for is their business, to an extent. I was hoping people would share cool openings or games where offering a free piece was a trap, but if people want to argue here instead, they can. 
I have little interest making HPC look like a fool - in my opinion he does that himself whenever his answer to an argument is to settle it on a live-streamed bullet match or some such nonsense.

You’ll note that I returned here twice to add more opening fun to it, it’s other people who want to argue about his merits or otherwise. Honestly, I’m kind of surprised at the amount of support for him - as if somehow telling people to take free material is going to be the one line of advice that will make a beginner’s chess improve exponentially… I’ve always found it frustrating that if he is a legitimate player at that rating he doesn’t use his experience to actually lift other people up.

Instead of people looking up to him, hekp chess players by giving ACTUAL good advice and encourage ches players, instead he does the opposite, a good-for-nothing rage baiting player who use his elo as a boost for his ego and is in insane denial when someone calls hin a troll, and again, using elo as "proof".

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I'm shocked you'd stand by this Curry. Or anyone reasonable for that matter.

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chesssblackbelt wrote:

I don't think that matters. I think if a 2000 fide repeatedly plays an 1100 chess.com in 90+30 OTB that the 2000 fide would win about a million in a row.

If a 2000 fide plays Magnus in 90+30 OTB the 2000 fide would win maybe once every 300 games?

Magnus wouldn't lose to a 2000 player in 90/30.

Looking at it from a purely statistical perspective, you'd have a .0003 percent chance to win a single game against Magnus. Plugging that into a Bernoulli trials calculator, you'd only have an 8% chance to win a game in 300 games, a 12% chance in 500 games, and 22% chance in 1000 games.

You'd have to play more than 4500 games to even have a 50% chance of winning one game.

This doesn't even account for the sparseness of rating points at right tail of the rating distribution or psychological factors at play. Assuming zero growth or decay of playing strength over time, you probably wouldn't win a game irrespective of trial numbers. Youre nowhere close.

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Cold_W1nter wrote:

I'm shocked you'd stand by this Curry. Or anyone reasonable for that matter.

Stand by which bit?

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nonotrocosto2011 wrote:
chesssblackbelt a écrit :

Building up your pattern recognition to capture free material will take you past 1400. You are overestimating how much skill it takes to get past 1400.

You said earlier that we are underestimating what there is to learn but I'm overestimating how much skill it takes to get past 1400? Either I don't get your point, and I'll be glad to understand it, either you're not coherent.

Btw my last point was a joke about you judging people with a number. I'm almost 1700 Blitz, and only 1450 in rapid because I started 2 weeks ago, and I'm improving for now, and not only by chomping on hanging pieces

Yes there is so much to learn in chess but to be 1400 you only need to have about 0.1% of that chess knowledge.

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Burnttoastandjam wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

I don't think that matters. I think if a 2000 fide repeatedly plays an 1100 chess.com in 90+30 OTB that the 2000 fide would win about a million in a row.

If a 2000 fide plays Magnus in 90+30 OTB the 2000 fide would win maybe once every 300 games?

Magnus wouldn't lose to a 2000 player in 90/30.

Looking at it from a purely statistical perspective, you'd have a .0003 percent chance to win a single game against Magnus. Plugging that into a Bernoulli trials calculator, you'd only have an 8% chance to win a game in 300 games, a 12% chance in 500 games, and 22% chance in 1000 games.

You'd have to play more than 4500 games to even have a 50% chance of winning one game.

This doesn't even account for the sparseness of rating points at right tail of the rating distribution or psychological factors at play. Assuming zero growth or decay of playing strength over time, you probably wouldn't win a game irrespective of trial numbers. Youre nowhere close.

I've drew to a GM OTB before. Naka recently almost drew to a 1900 fide player. 1 in 300 is conservative.

I don't believe your stats. Another site says it should be 1 in 100 when it's an 800 elo difference.

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 chesssblackbelt wrote:
Burnttoastandjam wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

I don't think that matters. I think if a 2000 fide repeatedly plays an 1100 chess.com in 90+30 OTB that the 2000 fide would win about a million in a row.

If a 2000 fide plays Magnus in 90+30 OTB the 2000 fide would win maybe once every 300 games?

Magnus wouldn't lose to a 2000 player in 90/30.

Looking at it from a purely statistical perspective, you'd have a .0003 percent chance to win a single game against Magnus. Plugging that into a Bernoulli trials calculator, you'd only have an 8% chance to win a game in 300 games, a 12% chance in 500 games, and 22% chance in 1000 games.

You'd have to play more than 4500 games to even have a 50% chance of winning one game.

This doesn't even account for the sparseness of rating points at right tail of the rating distribution or psychological factors at play. Assuming zero growth or decay of playing strength over time, you probably wouldn't win a game irrespective of trial numbers. Youre nowhere close.

I've drew to a GM OTB before. Naka recently almost drew to a 1900 fide player. 1 in 300 is conservative.

I don't believe your stats. Another site says it should be 1 in 100 when it's an 800 elo difference.

A draw isnt a win. Here's the winrate probability

It's a neat model created by mathematician Francois Labelle.

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Burnttoastandjam wrote:

 chesssblackbelt wrote:
Burnttoastandjam wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

I don't think that matters. I think if a 2000 fide repeatedly plays an 1100 chess.com in 90+30 OTB that the 2000 fide would win about a million in a row.

If a 2000 fide plays Magnus in 90+30 OTB the 2000 fide would win maybe once every 300 games?

Magnus wouldn't lose to a 2000 player in 90/30.

Looking at it from a purely statistical perspective, you'd have a .0003 percent chance to win a single game against Magnus. Plugging that into a Bernoulli trials calculator, you'd only have an 8% chance to win a game in 300 games, a 12% chance in 500 games, and 22% chance in 1000 games.

You'd have to play more than 4500 games to even have a 50% chance of winning one game.

This doesn't even account for the sparseness of rating points at right tail of the rating distribution or psychological factors at play. Assuming zero growth or decay of playing strength over time, you probably wouldn't win a game irrespective of trial numbers. Youre nowhere close.

I've drew to a GM OTB before. Naka recently almost drew to a 1900 fide player. 1 in 300 is conservative.

I don't believe your stats. Another site says it should be 1 in 100 when it's an 800 elo difference.

A draw isnt a win. Here's the winrate probability

It's a neat model created by mathematician Francois Labelle.

I'm too bad at maths to understand this site so I'll just trust it.

Still though an 1100 on chess.com is maybe 500 fide (if that rating existed) so it would be worse than 1 in 4500 wins.

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 chesssblackbelt wrote:
Burnttoastandjam wrote:

 chesssblackbelt wrote:
Burnttoastandjam wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

I don't think that matters. I think if a 2000 fide repeatedly plays an 1100 chess.com in 90+30 OTB that the 2000 fide would win about a million in a row.

If a 2000 fide plays Magnus in 90+30 OTB the 2000 fide would win maybe once every 300 games?

Magnus wouldn't lose to a 2000 player in 90/30.

Looking at it from a purely statistical perspective, you'd have a .0003 percent chance to win a single game against Magnus. Plugging that into a Bernoulli trials calculator, you'd only have an 8% chance to win a game in 300 games, a 12% chance in 500 games, and 22% chance in 1000 games.

You'd have to play more than 4500 games to even have a 50% chance of winning one game.

This doesn't even account for the sparseness of rating points at right tail of the rating distribution or psychological factors at play. Assuming zero growth or decay of playing strength over time, you probably wouldn't win a game irrespective of trial numbers. Youre nowhere close.

I've drew to a GM OTB before. Naka recently almost drew to a 1900 fide player. 1 in 300 is conservative.

I don't believe your stats. Another site says it should be 1 in 100 when it's an 800 elo difference.

A draw isnt a win. Here's the winrate probability

It's a neat model created by mathematician Francois Labelle.

I'm too bad at maths to understand this site so I'll just trust it.

Still though an 1100 on chess.com is maybe 500 fide (if that rating existed) so it would be worse than 1 in 4500 wins.

This isn't true. Rating deflation has been occurring on chess.com since 2019 and a recent adjustment was made to FIDE ratings that put chess.com Glicko scores more in line with ELO. Here's a statistical conversion chart from chessgoals.com

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I chomp on every hanging piece
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Lol this site is definitely wrong. An 1100 on chess.com being 1500 fide? That's ridiculous.

I'm nearly 2600 bullet on lichess. Am I a GM according to this site?

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I've played a 1400 fide player recently. She was 1900 on chess.com and she wasn't underrated.

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chesssblackbelt wrote:

Lol this site is definitely wrong. An 1100 on chess.com being 1500 fide? That's ridiculous.

I'm nearly 2600 bullet on lichess. Am I a GM according to this site?

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Burnttoastandjam wrote:
chesssblackbelt wrote:

Lol this site is definitely wrong. An 1100 on chess.com being 1500 fide? That's ridiculous.

I'm nearly 2600 bullet on lichess. Am I a GM according to this site?

Keep in mind this is a statistical model with margins of error. It's a model built from real player profiles scraped from each site. It maps quite well to my FIDE of 2065.

Forgive me for my skepticism, but your results on chess.com don't suggest 2600 skill at bullet on lichess. Perhaps their pool is easier?