When did you start being able to see several moves ahead?

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Yesterday.

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KuramaOtsutsuki wrote:

I've been playing chess for a bit now and so far I seem to be stuck at 1050~ in tactics. The ones they give seem to be wanting to be able to see several 4-5 moves ahead for a checkmate or just taking a piece and I am having some trouble with that. I've been doing a bit better lately, but I was wondering if there was a point when you could just know that some pattern for checkmate would be available just by looking at the board as I've seen some people say about tactics - that they can just know that a winning tactic is on the board. So my question is, when were you able to look at the board and see where the pieces will be clearly enough in your mind to complete a long move tactic?

Eh, you think you''re asking about 1 thing, but you're talking about 3 or 4 different things.


1) When could I visualize a 3-4 move (6-8 ply) sequence and clearly see the end position? After a few years. When could I visualize one small area after a 3 to 4 move sequence (like checking if I have enough defenders in a capture-recapture sequence) probably after a few months.

2) When could I analyze any 3-4 move sequence correctly? Depends on the position. Some are practically impossible even for GMs. (Analysis is not only visualizing, but finding the best moves and rendering the correct evaluation of the end position).


3) When could I instantly be aware of a tactic? After I knew the tactic. For example one of the first patterns I learned was back rank mates. As a very new player (less than 1 year) I was spotting those opportunities practically instantly. Another one is the smothered mate which is often a mate in 5. I can see that opportunity instantly without having to calculate the individual moves to make sure it works (although it still may not work see #4).


4) When could I instantly know that a tactical pattern in the position will definitely work out to my favor? Never. You always have to calculate (at least a little) to be sure. This is another one that's basically impossible no matter how good you get.

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 Slightly off topic but you might understand why.  Can I please pick the collective IT brains? How does one set up a database using FEN and be able to toggle from one position to the next? Can it be done using Arena for example?

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eastyz wrote:

Slow_pawn, most combinations are a result of a loose piece. There is not much pattern recognition there.  However, it may require calculation to get the combination to the point where you pounce on the bounty. Chess is a game of moves and not ideas as Tomashevsky once famously said, although I don't think it was an original saying. He was bemoaning the fact that he relied on "pattern recognition" rather than calculating. It cost him the game.

Fair point. When I do puzzles I look for checks, captures, loose pieces, overloaded pieces, and exploitable direct or indirect pins with little to no thought. Then I start to check for familiar tactics or scenarios. If I still don't see it I start to use a sort of process of elimination way of thinking. All of this I do without calculating. Then comes a stalemate puzzle with 4 knights on the board and not much else and I'm dumbfounded. Probably why I've gotten just as many puzzles wrong as I have right.  So I agree that any chess player seeking improvement shouldn't rely on that alone. 

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Slow-pawn, combinations which require boxing in a piece (which is what stalemate and even checkmate is) requires a different approach to calculation. Most combinations end on the win or loss of one square (or rather what material is on it). The box type of combinations requires domination of all possible moves by a piece and is often not that simple to calculate because we get very little practice in the game itself as it tends to be rare (except for those involving the king, of course).

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eastyz wrote:

Slow-pawn, combinations which require boxing in a piece (which is what stalemate and even checkmate is) requires a different approach to calculation. Most combinations end on the win or loss of one square (or rather what material is on it). The box type of combinations requires domination of all possible moves by a piece and is often not that simple to calculate because we get very little practice in the game itself as it tends to be rare (except for those involving the king, of course).

Well said, thank you

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With me it came after I lost with every conceivable tactic being sprung on me, I remembered them better after I lost to them. You gotta suffer to sing the blues

 

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When you've solved thousands upon thousands of tactics on the board and on tactics trainer grin.png.  If you are having difficulty with mate in 4 or 5 try mate in two on chess tempo.  Or get that book with over 5000 chess tactics.  It has a lot of mate in 2's.