When is it time to quit?

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fredo562 wrote:

I have read with interest the whole discussion. I personally at this stage in my chess development also play to the very end. 1) because I am not really  experienced enough  to know when a  game is  'HOPELESS' 2) I have persistent personality 3) I love the chase and being chased 4) Stalemate is legitimate end and goal  to a losing game. 5) Regarding alienating other players, with a pool of over 60,000 players, so what , you will always  find kindred souls to play with. 6) As far as being "rude" It seems to me Rudeness is in the eye of the beholder, I think it rude for one to expect your opponent to quit just because you think you have a winning game,The rules say Prove it. My thoughts at this stage in my chess development.


Very well said. Some people act like they don't have time to force checkmate, Then Im wondering why they even started a game in the first place. How can you study the endgame if the game never even gets there

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justrookin wrote:

OK... I am playing a guy (2 Games simotaneously from a tournament) and on one game, I was winning and he let the clock run out 3 days. On the other game...he has 87 min. left... he is probably letting the clock run out. The material difference is ridiculous.

Now that is just unclassy to no end! ; )


Totally, this happenes a lot in Live chess, you might beat an opponent and then accept a rematch, and then when you are winning they dont make a move until time runs out. I just go smoke a cigarette, but why not try to do something or resign? This is rude

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N2UHC wrote:

I hate it when my opponent finally realizes mate is coming in the next move, and then resigns.  We've gone that far, why not let me deliver the coop de gracy?


It's perfectly within the rules. There is no point to complain - it can't change anything - only waste your time. My best advice is just to cool down. Do what you should do. He will allow the checkmate or resign 1 move before or let his clock run out - you win in any case. IMHO there is no place for any negative emotions here.

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robotjazz wrote:
justrookin wrote:

OK... I am playing a guy (2 Games simotaneously from a tournament) and on one game, I was winning and he let the clock run out 3 days. On the other game...he has 87 min. left... he is probably letting the clock run out. The material difference is ridiculous.

Now that is just unclassy to no end! ; )


Totally, this happenes a lot in Live chess, you might beat an opponent and then accept a rematch, and then when you are winning they dont make a move until time runs out. I just go smoke a cigarette, but why not try to do something or resign? This is rude


I agree that in live chess this is more annoying because you can't go away and do other things - may be he'll make a move at some moment. But still I try to remain Zen - minimize the game window to a corner so I can keep an eye on it, open tactics trainer, use my time with some benefit.

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robotjazz wrote:
justrookin wrote:

OK... I am playing a guy (2 Games simotaneously from a tournament) and on one game, I was winning and he let the clock run out 3 days. On the other game...he has 87 min. left... he is probably letting the clock run out. The material difference is ridiculous.

Now that is just unclassy to no end! ; )


Totally, this happenes a lot in Live chess, you might beat an opponent and then accept a rematch, and then when you are winning they dont make a move until time runs out. I just go smoke a cigarette, but why not try to do something or resign? This is rude


Don't get me going on that topic of live chess. When someone lets a clock run out like 9 minutes on a 10 min game, I have been so mad, after the game I would go to the person's wall and sometimes find a string of posts bitching the person out.

Honestly... this whole topic. You just have to accept some people are sore losers. This is internet and there are more than a million members here...you're going to find rude obnoxious people.

If it is live or turn based games... there is no point on getting upset. The clock will run out eventually!

I have seen games... 10 min, you win the queen in a few moves and there is 9 min left. They run the clock down to a minute or two and make a move thinking you left the game.

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RoseQueen1985 wrote:
This is the way that I learned how to resign, I read this in an article over a decade ago: put yourself in the winning side of the battle. If you had the winning position,are you 100% confident that you could beat the world champion? If the answer is yes,resign.

That's maybe the best suggestion I've ever read on this issue.

I myself would never expect anyone to resign, though. If they insist, I'll just prove I know how to win the position and that's that.    

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uri65 wrote:

It's perfectly within the rules. There is no point to complain - it can't change anything - only waste your time. My best advice is just to cool down. Do what you should do. He will allow the checkmate or resign 1 move before or let his clock run out - you win in any case. IMHO there is no place for any negative emotions here.


 Cool down?  Negative emotions?  I think you read too much into my post.  Perhaps "I hate it when..." is too strong a term, maybe I should have said that I prefer to be able to deliver checkmate.  Even if my opponent resigns one move before, I still enjoy the win and the fact that that I brought a game to checkmate.  But it's far more satisfying to be able to play the very last move in a game.

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Bubatz wrote:
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
This is the way that I learned how to resign, I read this in an article over a decade ago: put yourself in the winning side of the battle. If you had the winning position,are you 100% confident that you could beat the world champion? If the answer is yes,resign.

That's maybe the best suggestion I've ever read on this issue.

I myself would never expect anyone to resign, though. If they insist, I'll just prove I know how to win the position and that's that.    


Resign in the winning position ?  Give up the mind- bending drugs .

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Sidford_Knight wrote:
uri65 wrote:
Sidford_Knight wrote:
2. You don't resign 1 move before mate.

Why not? What's wrong with it?


If you've played out a hopelessly lost position for a number of moves and your opponent has mate in 1 it's good manners to allow them the mate.


+1

I have often delivered mate to opponents with hopeless positions. It happens most often when I have less than one minute on the clock and my opponents have plenty of time left and want to see if I can find mate in time, otherwise, they win. 

Here's one example of a hopeless positon. I ran some Fritz analysis, finding many forced mates that I missed, which is common in the under 1200 class. With not taking into account any of the forced mates, the game was completely hopeless for my opponent after the exchange of queens on move 33. I could have won this endgame a year ago when my tactics trainer rating was in the low 800's. It was that easy, but I was completely o.k. with playing it out, as my opponent played in a timely manner. No big deal.

I did miss a few pretty simple tactics that would have decided the game much sooner, but my excuse right now is that I am taking a strong pain killer for back pain. My cognitive abilities are pretty...um...low. It's like having one too many beers.  Laughing

 



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Maybe being duct taped to the chair all summer has been good for you.

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Honestly, I think unless you're a strong player, which most of us aren't, resigning after losing a piece, or expecting your opponent to resign after losing a piece is kind of silly. As amateurs we all have to learn how to win won positions. I have never been angry at a player for not resigning and playing through the position down a piece. It gives me a chance to practice my technique, and if you can't win a won position, then its not really won is it?

Ive had plenty people play out a R+K vs K or Q + K vs K positions, and if it really pisses you off to spend 30 more seconds mating your opponent with an easy theoretical win, then why are you playing chess? And if it takes you more than 30 seconds to mate in a rook and king vs long king position, then you probably need to work on your technique.

I think the only time its warrented to be pissed off if you aren't a strong player playing another strong player is if your opponent played out the position, and took a ridiculous amount of time in a Q+K vs K position, or waits until the last move to resign.

I usually just resign when I see I forced win for my opponent, and when you get to be a stronger player (I imagine), you just expect that your peer will be able to use good technique to put you away, but you cant ever get that technique if all your opponents resign when you are winning... Just my two cents Smile

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Pawnm0wer wrote:

Personally if someone wants to play on while lost against me, I love it. I enjoy crushing them and often will play with them and get their hopes up like this:

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=153423175


That game WAS weird!!!!!!!! Even somebody rated 800 should play better than that! He was deliberatly avoiding taking your pieces. He had to have wanted to lose.

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I think that a novice player should play on so that he or she can learn checkmate technique. Once a player becomes stronger they do not need this experience and should know when to resign. Obviously there are positions that appear hopeless but there may be a plan that can redeem the situation. If the plan works your experience grows, if not then the correct way for a stronger player is to bow out - in my opinion.

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Kasjoy wrote:

I think that a novice player should play on so that he or she can learn checkmate technique. Once a player becomes stronger they do not need this experience and should know when to resign. Obviously there are positions that appear hopeless but there may be a plan that can redeem the situation. If the plan works your experience grows, if not then the correct way for a stronger player is to bow out - in my opinion.


 Thank you for your imput.

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My opinion, dont resign!... u have a clock, and ur oponent is not perfect!... maybe he get a heart atack or something hehehe... 

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jonravid wrote:

My opinion, dont resign!... u have a clock, and ur oponent is not perfect!... maybe he get a heart atack or something hehehe... 

LOL LMAO!!!

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Rule of thumb:

If you think that with the sides switched you would have no trouble converting the win then resign.

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you should quit when your opponet has made a move you don't understand, Because if you don't understand the move than he/she is clearly better than you and will surely win!!!

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That does seem like a wise remark, but the problem with moves I don't understand is that I only realize I didn't understand them is after my opponent makes an unexpected move after the one I didn't understand (in hindsight). Let me read that again to see if it makes any sense. 

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When you absolutely don't know what to do anymore, it is time to panic.  -  John van der Wiel