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guilySU

Hi everyone

When I play against a stronger oppenent, I allways find myself getting into serious trouble after I rooked. (Short, kingside) . So I basicly follow my standard procedure( devolp pieces and rook to savety) but after just a few moves a stronger platyer knows how to shatter my defence. Are there common rules? Which way to rook to, queen or kingside? Maybe a strange query, but I am esspecialy curious why I get into so much trouble .

yourChess

Post one of your games and one meber like me will be happy to help you.

jiangyh

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StampNut

It's called "castling".

guilySU

I am not native English , but I am pretty sure I have heard people name it "Rook" but you are probablly right .

IpswichMatt

The piece is called a "Rook", not a "Castle", which is probably where you're getting confused. But the move involving moving both the King and the Rook is called "Castling".

Anyway, post the games, it's very difficult to give general rules about this.

MysteriousDruid

Generally from your post it seems like you castle and then deveop your pieces. You want to have a certain amount of development before castling. If you castle too early and underdeveloped your opponent can throw all he has at your king and you will have to move your queenside pieces to the kingside to defend, losing time.

guilySU

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game?id=561007677

 

This is a good exmaple. It just freaked me out, how much I've gotten into trouble..

Curious_Barrel

many errors in this game which cost you but on the point of castling you are still vulnerable if you have no pieces on the side of the board which you have castled.

FancyKnight

The problem with that game was your bishop on d3 which kept your queenside pieces locked up the entire game.

StampNut

Castling early is not generally a bad move, but moving your pawns in front of the castled king usually is. Also putting your bishop on d3 really hampered your development.

LelaCrosby
StampNut wrote:

Castling early is not generally a bad move, but moving your pawns in front of the castled king usually is. Also putting your bishop on d3 really hampered your development.

Sometimes it's good to move f3, g3, or h3 if necessary to block checkmate.

Insanistis

Bd3 makes it hard... Why block your d pawn when you're not even going to play b3 or b4.

c3 is weak move.

exd4 is weak move

f5 weak

a3 pointless

fxg6 opening your opponents rook

It's amazing how you're not lost yet after 5 of these moves

StampNut

Lela yes of course. I meant unforced moves.

guilySU
Curious_Barrel schreef:

many errors in this game which cost you but on the point of castling you are still vulnerable if you have no pieces on the side of the board which you have castled.

Obviously ..The entire felt like dancing with the Hulk as chaperone. I know it's also a mather of knowledge and skills, but I found my power increasing by putting effort into study and listining to critisims...if you guys see anything (beside the castling) what I do wrong, please notify me!


 

guilySU
Insanistis schreef:

Bd3 makes it hard... Why block your d pawn when you're not even going to play b3 or b4.

c3 is weak move.

exd4 is weak move

f5 weak

a3 pointless

fxg6 opening your opponents rook

It's amazing how you're not lost yet after 5 of these moves

c3 - I tried to weaken his centre

exd4- same story

f5- somehow I tried to weaken HIS "castle"

a3-foolish indeed,

fxg6 -- happens all the time against "better" players

 

But how do you tell, conclude up front that it's wrong? Is it similiar to"playing youre f pawn in the beginning"weak( a common rule you simplly should know)?. I really wanna grow, so how to decide situations like this..

FancyKnight

Moving the pawns in front of your king should usually be avoided if you are not completely developed.

guilySU

Maybe I should post a new query ..but maybe you can use my oppenents play as example if my game is too weak.

-How do I tell when the "devolpment " is done?

- When (from wich move) did the middlegame actually started ?

IpswichMatt
guilySU wrote:

Maybe I should post a new query ..but maybe you can use my oppenents play as example if my game is too weak.

-How do I tell when the "devolpment " is done?

- When (from wich move) did the middlegame actually started ?

Answer to the first question is usually something like "when the Rooks are connected" - in other words, when the Rooks protect each other. (Although I expect someone will tell me this is wrong and I'm a fool)

Your second question is more difficult to answer.

I thought you were OK to castle when you did in that game, your mistakes came later, as others have pointed out.

Also thought that, irrespective of whether your pawn moves were weakening or not, you needed to place a higher priority on getting your pieces off the back rank and into active play.

guilySU

Thank you, very helpfull..I do not consider you as a fool, come on! We all are learning, but still: Can I write this in my "chessbible". Devolpement means having the rooks connected..