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USA-Elephant
That stares (1) you must use one hand when castling and (2) where it clearly as well states you must use one hand when promoting

Code ? Section ? Page ?

Perhaps even copy and paste here if you can accompanied by the reference code - section - page

Thank you 🙏
justbefair
USA-Elephant wrote:
That stares (1) you must use one hand when castling and (2) where it clearly as well states you must use one hand when promoting
Code ? Section ? Page ?
Perhaps even copy and paste here if you can accompanied by the reference code - section - page
Thank you 🙏

10I. Castling.
For description and further information of castling, see 8A2, 8A3, 8A4, 8C1, and 9C.
10I1. King touched first, or king and rook simultaneously.
If a player intending to castle touches the king first, or king and rook at the same time, and then realizes that castling
is illegal, the player may choose either to move the king or to castle on the other side if legal. If the king has no legal
move, the player is free to choose any move.
10I2. Rook touched first.
If a player intending to castle touches the rook first, castling is not allowed and the player must move the rook as
required by rule 10B.
10I2. (Variation I) Rook touched first.
If a player intending to castle touches the rook first, there is no penalty except if castling is illegal, the player must
move the rook if legal. This variation does not need to be announced in advanced publicity but should be announced
at the start of the tournament.

https://new.uschess.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/us-chess-rule-book-online-only-edition-chapters-1-2-9-10-11-2024.pdf

USA-Elephant

@justbefair thank you 🙏

But as I feared there is no verbiage that mentions or speaks about using only one hand

moreso I have read it word for word and as I feared more it even makes it look 👀 like you can use two hands where it talks about if you touch both pieces at the same time and no one really legally can touch two pieces at same time - yes yes to those who are about to say you can use one hand fast and slap the king over room therein it’s touching two pieces however I assure you the USCF is not referring to the grab king and slap over the rook all in one swoop - furthermore you then again are only touching the king first -

so again cool finding and thank you but still we need someone to help find specially verbiage that reference you may not use two hands to castle

be it in USCF or FIDE

Thank you 🙏

USA-Elephant

I find it very strange that the USCF no where states clear verbiage but rather ambiguous and leaves space for debate and argue on casting with two hands.

While I am for and do understand that it is required to use one hand and the factors therein however I have others who debate the fact and to their fair credit and by the USCF NOT placing one clear and simple sentence to add follow or precede the rule on such by saying “two hands is not allowed” 🚫 or “you must use one hand” how are what they did was allow fair argument to those who wish (and in rules there should be no such wiggle room for argument) thus USCF may say how can you touch the king and rook at same time as it cleared clearly which one is touch first etc etc is the preceding rules …

However it is very clear and many do it they grab both the king and rook at the very same time and cross over hands and land peices at the very same time

Thus rendering the need for the most simplest sentence to distinguish and not allow argument by stating “two hands are not allowed”🚫

Thus I will allow opponents to do as they want with me for they do have a legal and valid argument but the needed verbiage not in place

Sometimes law and rules get to caught up in details (which is good and needed) but miss the main factor to bring such subject to clarity and ease

🙄

ThrillerFan
USA-Elephant wrote:

@justbefair thank you 🙏

But as I feared there is no verbiage that mentions or speaks about using only one hand

moreso I have read it word for word and as I feared more it even makes it look 👀 like you can use two hands where it talks about if you touch both pieces at the same time and no one really legally can touch two pieces at same time - yes yes to those who are about to say you can use one hand fast and slap the king over room therein it’s touching two pieces however I assure you the USCF is not referring to the grab king and slap over the rook all in one swoop - furthermore you then again are only touching the king first -

so again cool finding and thank you but still we need someone to help find specially verbiage that reference you may not use two hands to castle

be it in USCF or FIDE

Thank you 🙏

As a US Resident, I can tell you that the USCF is F***ed up in more ways than 1. Why these pea brains don't simply use the same rules as FIDE is beyond me. Any event that is FIDE rated in certain sections, those sections must use FIDE rules anyway.

The US Open, back in the 2000s, used to be FIDE rated. Now they are too lazy to find FIDE arbiters and want to use their own little corny rules.

What is shown below are not the only differences, but differences that I have witnessed impacted games that I've seen first hand:

1) Promotion - If you push a White pawn to the 8th rank or a Black pawn to the first rank and hit the clock without making it anything, it is an Illegal Move in FIDE and subsequently, you obligated to make it a Queen, and the opponent is awarded 2 minutes if it is your first illegal move, and wins the game if it's your second. In USCF, all the opposing side can do is hit the clock without making a move. I have been in a game where I've done that. I am under no obligation to explain why, and all it leads to is a slap of the clock war.

2) What is a Queen? In FIDE, only a queen is a queen. In USCF, an upside down rook can be used for a Queen. In FIDE, if you place a rook upside down on the board, you promoted the pawn to a Rook.

3) Winning vs Drawing on time. In US Chess, K, K+B, K+N, or K+2N and opponent has no pawns is considered insufficient mating material unless mate can be demonstrated as being completely forced. FIDE, the side with time wins if any legal sequence of moves mates the opposing King.

So the positions below, assuming Black's flag falls, the first is a win for white in fide and a draw for uscf. The second is a win for white in USCF and a draw in FIDE.

magipi
USA-Elephant wrote:

but still we need someone to help find specially verbiage that reference you may not use two hands to castle

What if that doesn't exist? Looks like it doesn't.

Snowchlobe

i think chess.com should use fide rules bc most players are not from america.