amartalon wrote:
ActiveKing wrote:
Okay, Rb4 fails to a cute tactic. Instead, I play Kf7.
The point is that none of black's plans will work because white has tactical responses to all of them due to the superior placement of his knight! Do you not believe that I have engine checked this position?
1...Kf7 certainly drags it out longer but every single line leads to a white victory.
I see that White has a positional advantage because of the KNIGHT
Knights are great for bullet matches because they move to eight different spots and your opponent is in a time crunch. I don't find them as effective in a classical chest match and often sacrifice them first. I find the bishops to be more effective toward the end of a match when the board has less peices.
Nevermind, either you can't play a game from a custom position or I can't work out how.
Essentially the moves down the bottom are the mainlines being calculated by the engines and the number next to them is them engine's evaluation of the position.
As far as I know you can't start a game from a custom position.
Essentially the way white wins the position in the lines I have looked at is by getting a rook on the 7th, then the knight goes to e8 via c7 or g7 and the black pawns get picked off quicker than the white ones.
IndigenousSpirit wrote:
Knights are great for bullet matches because they move to eight different spots and your opponent is in a time crunch. I don't find them as effective in a classical chest match and often sacrifice them first. I find the bishops to be more effective toward the end of a match when the board has less peices.
I sacrifice bishops to save my knights
I still obviously don't understand what I am looking at because it looks like it's saying the position is -3 which you're saying it isn't.
Some advantages of bishops over knights:
* Can reach long distances so other player won't notice
* Taller
* Easier to make
* Requires less food since horses eat a lot
* Can pin things and skewer things
Chess doesn't feed the peices so your argue meant is invalid
I still obviously don't understand what I am looking at because it looks like it's saying the position is -3 which you're saying it isn't.
Ah that's a quirk of the Arena GUI. Since white has just moved, the engines are analysing for black. So the eval score is done from black's perspective so a positive number would indicate an advantage for black and vice versa.
Cavatine wrote:
Some advantages of bishops over knights:
* Can reach long distances so other player won't notice
* Taller
* Easier to make
* Requires less food since horses eat a lot
* Can pin things and skewer things
Most of those aren't even relevant to chess
For example
2, 3, 4 and 5
So really, they are only better at one thing: distance covered
Plus, knights are less predictable
To find out if I am completely insane can you try putting the original position into the engine again with Black to move but with his Knight on e7 instead of a7? See if it suggests Rb4 with an advantage for Black then. Thanks.
ActiveKing wrote:
brumtown wrote:
Yes, bishops are better in that position, but it is rare to be in a better position with a bishop than a knight. I will give a trophy to anyone who can show another position where bishops are better.
Good luck
Aw, bless
Your not getting the trophy
Lol
To find out if I am completely insane can you try putting the original position into the engine again with Black to move but with his Knight on e7 instead of a7? See if it suggests Rb4 with an advantage for Black then. Thanks.
It goes...
1...Rb4
2. Rbc1 - Draw
In this case the engine finds nothing for either side, all lines end with eval of 0.
Edit: I'll add that the reason black can't get the other rook to a4 and grab the c-pawn is white can play Kg2 followed by Rh1-h8-d8# (if black leaves the 8th rank open).
Ok. Why don't you post pictures of chess pieces on a chess board to try and prove your point
In some material systems, which this is the one that I use, is having the knight be 2.5 (and kind of sacrifice worthy) while the bishop is a full 3 points because of its power over the knight.
Kind of a hard thing to go against, especially when it is the endgame. I think about the endgame throughout my games, so I tend to favor bishops most of the time.
Well done. You get the trophy
See comment on top of page for reference
One more test? Original position, Black to move, Knight back on a7 but this time White's Knight on e2. Thank you.
Well done. You get the trophy
See comment on top of page for reference
He shouldn't since that position is drawn.
Ok
Nevermind, either you can't play a game from a custom position or I can't work out how.